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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:32 pm  Reply with quote
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This sounds like great idea.  Get the PL out of the FCS playoff which has become too long.  Even with scholarships PL teams are huge underdogs to many of the big schools (N. Dakota St., Jacksonville St. etc.) in the FCS system.  Yankee Stadium, the PL or IVY champ stadium, or MetLife Stadium seem like a better choice for the game.  Easily accessible, lots of grads around, and an easy trip for students.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:42 pm Reply with quote
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Not a fan. I'd rather go to the playoffs and take my chances. PL can send the autobid to the playoffs and then send the 2nd place team to play the Ivy champ. Assuming, of course, that the 2nd place team does not get an at large spot.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:48 am Reply with quote
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I don't think we've invested the money and effort into becoming a scholarship program to walk it back to an Ivy bowl game.  Runs counter to our history as the small school that plays above our weight class, and also given this narrative makes us look like 2nd class citizens just hoping to get invited to the Ivy's party.  No thanks.

Besides, we're only listed in this article as a throwaway idea in the first place.  Why would the Ivy's want to play the PL in something like this?  They play us all year anyway, usually in front of small, disinterested crowds.  For this to be of interest to them I'm sure they'd prefer a D1 opponent who might actually attract some attention...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:20 am Reply with quote
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When the league was non scholarship, a championship with the Ivies would have been appropriate.  Now I think scholies will over time mean the League will get better and win some playoff games - see Gate this year.

To compete with the Big Boys in 1AA (FCS or whatever it is called) will be a tall order.  However, we are ok with being in the NCAA Hoops tournament without a prayer of winning so there certainly is a similarity.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:26 pm Reply with quote
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PL will be too busy with FCS playoffs. Why can't the Ivy champ play the MEAC or SWAC champ? I'm sure the Harvard/North Carolina A&T or Dartmouth/Alcorn State will fire up Ivy alumni.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:46 pm Reply with quote
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We invested the money in scholarships because we essentially were the only FCS league without them and would have found it increasingly difficult to attract players and win games.  It was give scholarships or get humiliated.  (Wagner beat us in the playoffs a few years ago and Bryant had scholarships before 'gate.)  Without scholarships the PL would have been moving closer to D3 status.  The Ivy has the equivalent of scholarships and, in fact, can offer more of them for football that the PL schools can.  Exclude Colgate and the PL's record in football against the ivy league is not very good.  I suspect that alum from 1990 on and even some before that year would be more interested in playing an ivy school in a bowl game instead of a Sam Houston St. or James Madison in the FCS playoff.  The ivy league is realistic in realizing they have almost no chance of beating teams like Jacksonville St. or N. Dakota St.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:38 pm Reply with quote
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First of all, the Patriot League would not be going D3 without scholarships. That's just a canard that's been around for a long time.

Yes, the Ivy League can offer more aid than other FCS teams. However, the teams they put on the field every Saturday cannot have more than the 63 equivalent scholarship aid. The players beyond the 63 number are placed on JV or freshman rosters and can't suit up and play on Saturday.

I'd be shocked if any Colgate football players ever wouldn't want to test themselves against the best in the post season.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:19 am Reply with quote
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Not sure about that Tunk.  They can give all the players aid as long as the same amount of aid is offered to all students at the school.  Thus, it wouldn't be equivalent athletic aid just financial aid, again, as long as the same aid is available to all students.  So, every player could get the aid.  Maybe they can only suit up 63 at game time but, that leaves a hell of a  lot of depth in their chart from those freshmen or JV teams.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:36 am Reply with quote
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Tunkmaster wrote:
First of all, the Patriot League would not be going D3 without scholarships. That's just a canard that's been around for a long time.

Yes, the Ivy League can offer more aid than other FCS teams. However, the teams they put on the field every Saturday cannot have more than the 63 equivalent scholarship aid. The players beyond the 63 number are placed on JV or freshman rosters and can't suit up and play on Saturday.

I'd be shocked if any Colgate football players ever wouldn't want to test themselves against the best in the post season.

As far as I know while IL may impose that limit but the NCAA has no such rule for Ivies. Under NCAA interpretation,the service academies and Ivies are exempt from schollie limits. The ratio.ale,FWIW,is that since all students receive the exact same financial aid regardless of status as a recruited athlete,the aid is not considered a schollie.
Other than AI,only limit on Ivy recruiting is that a team cannot exceed a rollong avg of 130 recruits over a 4 yr period.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:03 pm Reply with quote
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An Ivy Bowl?  What would you call it, the Snooty Bowl, the Egghead Bowl, the White Collar Bowl, or just the Elite Game?  Not a good idea, IMO.

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