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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:07 pm  Reply with quote
the last indian
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I have long maintained that high profile sports are important for Colgate as a whole.  My thesis is that it is a small school in a rather isolated valley, but sports can raise Colgate's profile in the minds of applicants,parants, alumni, guidence consulars and others.
Recently, when i was having a stress test, the doctor, who was probably in his 60's, asked me where I went to school and I replied Colgate, he asked what happened to Colgate?  He said one used to hear about Colgate all the time, but not so anymore.  He had been a jock in high school.
I said that he didn't hear much anymore because we had a president who went about destroying the football program.  He was dumbfounded that anyone would do that.
I have heard our new president is pro sports.  I hope so since it would be great if the public would hear the roar form the Chenango Valley again.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:39 pm Reply with quote
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What president went about destroying football?
It wasn't Harsin, Herbst, Roloefs or Chopp, just to go back a dozen years.
Maybe your doctor was dumbfounded that you would assert this opinion and he was simply out of the loop regarding last fall's PL
Championshp and 2 postseason wins?
Go 'gate!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:27 pm Reply with quote
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Steve:

You have not followed 'gate80 ?

( cue in 'gate80; we haven't heard from him in awhile. Miss him! need him to maintain our perspective ! )
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:15 pm Reply with quote
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I know what 'gate80 has to say about, well, 1980.

The fact of the matter is that 1980 is a long time ago, an era with wins and losses is long gone, over, kaput. We have made history in the meantime and that's fine with me. Ruminating about what did/did not happen 35 years ago is not gonna get the program of this era anywhere. A contribution to the Maroon Council, which incidentally is light years larger, deeper and more productive now that it was then, is a good way to deepen everyone's awareness, commitment and appreciation of where we are.

Moving along, why not update your doctor about the team and tell him to keep an eye on this coming fall's team? Coach Dan Hunt is feeling pretty good, as should we all!

Go 'gate!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:26 pm Reply with quote
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Selective memory, you left out 3 decades of dubious Presidents, 1978-2001: Langdon, Grabois, Karelis.  Not sure any of them favored D-I athletics at Colgate because it would keep us from becoming like Williams.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:27 pm Reply with quote
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Colgate's PL "peers" have experienced similar periods where their transient faculty and or administration hijacked a niche and a history that they didn't fully understand let alone appreciate.  The contribution of the schools' sports traditions contributed to a distinctive identity as highly selective national liberal arts schools with strong DI histories. That recognition has ultimately contributed more to awareness of these schools than it has beaten them into disgrace or oblivion. As examples, Holy Cross' identity is just emerging from two decades in the "deep freeze" and Laffy is still fighting with its stakeholders about how it wants to be perceived.

Despite the ill-advised efforts to "de-Colgate" Colgate into something it's not, Colgate is as strong in a multitude of ways as it has ever been. And methinks Gate is in the early stages of one of the golden eras of its storied athletic tradition. With the combo of Vicky Chun's success/prominence/clout locally, in the alumni community and nationally, the unique background of Brian Casey and a stunning portfolio of sports facilities, what's not to like ?  Transient administrators and/or self centered faculty members know better than to mess with this winning formula.

I don't think Gate is going to suffer a dialing down of its niche anytime soon. Rather it's going to flaunt it proudly along with its other great selling points. My optimism is based not only on the success on the field, but how it is being accompanied with unprecedented success in the classroom for Gate student-athletes. As much as I love hearing Hunt singing praises about the  the 2016 season prospects, I also hear him repeatedly boasting of the team's recent B average--the best semester ever. And the % of s-a's, across the board, on the academic honor roll has kept growing year after under the Chun administration. It's a proud moment to be a Gate alum and fan of its athletic achievements and prominence as a niche institution. And the institution overall continues to get better each year. The future never looked brighter despite the challenges faced by American higher eucation. Given this outlook, lamenting past mistakes has really become somewhat of a straw man. They should be regarded as "blips." Although I'll always enjoy reading 'gate80...it's now more for his appreciation of Colgate lore than anything else!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:34 pm Reply with quote
Gate'83
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Here's the new prez talking about how he sees Gate and his role in promoting the school going forward.  Note the acknowledgement of athletics as part of our unique brand personality.  I'm very optimistic that we've finally made a good hire!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1...vHk87IEwu82Dtemr8vcMF&index=1
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:08 am Reply with quote
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Beginning in 1982, Presidents Langdon, Grabois and "Buddy" Karelis really tried to de-emphasize Colgate Athletics, and the decline lasted for quite a while in many programs.  Football was hardest hit - the program was truly emasculated, with the nadir taking place in the dreadful Sweeney years.  It is no secret that Grabois and Karelis wanted us to go to the NESCAC.  

For those of us around before those Prexys, it was very sad.  We have rebounded, though a lot of changes were needed.  Getting Presidents who appreciated the historic role of athletics at Colgate helped, but there have been some bumps in the road back, the hiring of Dave Roach being one of them.  Vicki Chun GETS IT.  She is doing a terrific job.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 9:41 am Reply with quote
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Yes, we have done well in athletics, but Colgate used to get a lot of press.  We played on ABC TV, there were articles in the New Yorker, often in the Times.  Now, nothing, zero, nada.  My point is about our image and the recognition the school gets.  Very little.  Doctor's aren't generally stupid and this one was and is a sports fan.  He simply said he used to hear a lot about Colgate and he doesn't anymore was the school still around.
Yes, we are unlikely to command headlines we used to, unless we defeat Syracuse or something, but the Ivies get a lot of Pub.  And it is good for them.  Why does Harvard emphasize so many of their athletic programs?
Some of the above clearly didn't get the point.
PS I too am optimistic about the new President.  I hope that is justified.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2016 4:01 pm Reply with quote
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Last Indian is correct. Steve is putting up a straw man when he says that those of us who refuse to whitewash Colgate's anti-fb history are somehow uninterested or unsupportive of the current team. I go to games every year, and support the Maroon Council including the "30 for a million" drive to help the program. I have always been impressed with Hunt (unlike some insiders initially), as well as Vickie, and am cautiously optimistic about our ex-jock new prez. I love our upgraded schedules, and think our victory over James Madison is one of our best in the last several decades (I'm surprised it's not more commented on).

However to discuss the Colgate football program without considering the quarter century effort to destroy our program and fb heritage is akin to discussing modern German history while omitting the years 1933-1945. These efforts were virtually unprecedented, and harmed Colgate in ways that go well beyond athletics. They are hardly "blips", as Raider Archivist opines. The ramifications of those actions echo down to this day, whether it be the letter signed by a quarter (!) of our faculty falsely accusing Vicky and our athletic dept of committing NCAA violations, the self-consciousness if not shame when our teams achieve attention on the playing fields (sending out photos to the press of players taking tests on the road, etc), unwillingness to seriously bid for playoff games, and can even be seen in what Raider Archivist himself posts!

He is proud of the number of players on the honor roll and fb team GPA. So am I! But the fact is that Colgate has had a century old history of strong scholar-athletes. Google Danny Fortmann for crying out loud. Yale had very successful basketball and hockey seasons this year, and I'm sure their players are impressive scholar-athletes. Did they release photos of their hockey or basketball players taking tests during the NCAAs? Or go on about how smart the players are? If so please send me the links. How about Stanford when they walloped Iowa in the Rose Bowl? The difference is these schools are academically secure, and so no need to be defensive about sports success. We should be too, and it insults me that we aren't.

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