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The Future

10 Game Schedule?

Hoping this isn't true:

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story...4&ref=rec&tm=&src=FCS
CR(colorlessraider)

Sorry, it's true.  Series with Bryant was cancelled.
The Future

AFCA has Northern Arizona and Montana State as both having open dates 9/10 but they are both booked (Bryant is going to Montana State).

Gardner Webb might have some open dates for later in the season that can be moved around with Colgate's 10/22 open date.

http://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=18&page=2

I'm sure this has all been looked into.
Gate'83

I asked Vicky & Ann-Marie about it last Fall, they said they were working on an 11th game.  Getting late though...
The Future

NDSU only has 10 scheduled with an opening on 9/3. If they could move Western Illinois from 10/22 to 9/3, Colgate could go to NDSU (and win big).
HC87

Any idea why the Bryant games were cancelled?
The Future

According to the AGS board, NDSU will have an opening on 9/10. So starting at Syracuse, NDSU, Yale, and Richmond (and having one home game for the first seven weeks of the season) could happen--and part of me likes the idea--until I remember that these kids also have to go to school.
Gate'83

HC87 wrote:
Any idea why the Bryant games were cancelled?


BOT directed athletics to drop them.  Think they felt Bryant wasn't a traditional opponent and doesn't fit the current "schedule up" attitude.  Of course if the alternative ends up being a 10 game schedule you'd have to call this a mistake...
Go...'gate

Agree with the BOT on this one.
go'gate

I'd be more concerned if we played a cupcake schedule.  In 2012, Lehigh finished 10-1...and didn't get an at-large bid.  That's what a winning season with a soft schedule will do for you - absolutely nothing.  We need to make the most of these 10 games.  I am tired of losing to the better Ivy teams, too.  Four home games is a true disappointment.  I wonder how favorable the other Patriot teams' schedules are.
agatefan

Go...'gate wrote:
Agree with the BOT on this one.


I would agree if they had another game lined up, clearly they did not so clearly a foolish move!  and NDSU away after opening @ Cuse is absurd
very bad deal for the  team and especially the  Sr class   they deserve better than this!  and so do the fans
The Future

This board about as dead as it can get so here's a question:
Would you rather play at NDSU the second game of the season (and open with six out of seven games on the road) or have a ten game schedule? Which do you think gives Colgate a better chance of making the playoffs? Which do you think the team would rather have?
The Lone Haranguer

Either choice results in no home game on Sept 10, so if we have a chance to play the national champs I say we take the game. Our share of the gate will cover our travel expense and we'll be able to publish pictures of the players studying on the plane. Coach Hunt wants to increase our recruiting efforts in the Mid-West and this would be a good opportunity to spread our brand. Competitors compete, so the players would love to play in front of 18,000 in the Fargo Dome. A respectable showing would help us in a at-large scenario and another big game experience can't hurt in the post season. Would I prefer a home game? Of course, but a home game against University of State Tech at East BF is not appealing

Note that 2017 has two open dates as well.
go'gate

Hey, I post plenty on here!

Have made this exact comment before, but here's the proof.  Show me where this 11-game cupcake schedule got them...NOWHERE!

http://www.lehighsports.com/sched...px?schedule=128&path=football

Perhaps Colgate knows what it's doing.  Tough losses with a tough OOC schedule, but then beat up on the PL and get into the tournament anyway!
Gate'83

Lehigh folks still think they got jobbed out of an at-large that year, and point out that Liberty was a good team, you don't know how good teams are going to be when these schedules are agreed to, etc.  I agree that playing tough OOC & trying to win the league should be the focus.

By the way, our OOC in '12 was awful as well; Albany, South Dakota, Sacred Heart, Stony Brook, Yale.  A real Roach special.  We also had only 4 home games that year and it ended up being OK!  Of course Wagner should've been the 5th home game, but that's another story...
Gate Raider

For three or four years in a row the AD and the coach have done an absolutely terrible job at coming up with a schedule.  All games in good weather are played away and Colgate gets the home games in November,  They really need instruction on how to schedule and attract fans.  They wonder way fan attendance stinks and then they schedule games when there is a good chance of snow.  One or two more years like this and the only fans in the stands will be a few players' families.  The PL championship game against Lehigh this year was a good example.  There were about 150 people there.  Keep that up and you might as well drop to Div. 3 or drop football  No one will care.    
   In an attempt to get more than 150 fans to games this year, they should not even charge for admission.  I know several people who had been attending for years and gave up after 2014.  Maybe they would come back.
Gate Raider

[quote="go'gate:381"]I'd be more concerned if we played a cupcake schedule.  In 2012, Lehigh finished 10-1...and didn't get an at-large bid.  That's what a winning season with a soft schedule will do for you - absolutely nothing.  We need to make the most of these 10 games.  I am tired of losing to the better Ivy teams, too.  Four home games is a true disappointment.  I wonder how favorable the other Patriot teams' schedules are.[/quote]

If you win the league you go to the playoffs.  Simple as that and it doesn't matter who you played OOC. Winning the league, not the OOC schedule, is the important thing.  Colgate has to get over the idea that they are above playing teams like Albany or Stony Brook.  Bring both of them to town on a nice Sept. or Oct. weekend and beat them.  There would be a hell of a lot more fans in the stands as those schools have lots of alum in the area.  It would be fun, that is, if Colgate could beat them.  They didn't do so well against Albany the last time.  BTW, it's not 1960.  The BOT and others need to join the 21st century- Rutgers, Penn St. etc. are not on the schedule anymore.
Gate'83

Home game dates & attendance 2014:
9/20 7,522 (Homecoming)
9/27  4,199
10/4  3,720
10/11 4,402  
11/8  4,377

Home game dates & attendance 2015:
9/12  2,998 (night game & it rained)
9/19  7,343 (Homecoming)
10/31 7,879 (Family Weekend)
11/14 3,828
11/21 2,970

What's most obvious to me is attendance spikes for "events," when we can get alums or parents on campus.  It's baffling to me that the Family w/e game was the first home game on that weekend since 2011... a real opportunity missed.  

Also of note is our average annual attendance has been growing since a low of 3,704 in 2012 to 5,003 this year.  Most of that growth comes from the big Homecoming and (this year) Family w/e crowds, corresponding to when the school started marketing these games heavily to alums.  

I also went back to '09 (the year my daughter got to Gate, so when I started attending a lot of home games) and looked at home games by month.  Assuming I counted right we've had 35 home games in that span... 12 in September, 13 in October, 10 in November.  In '13 we had 3 November home games, 2 this past year, one the other years.  Future schedules show 2 November home games next Fall, none (right now) in '17.

I'm sure the Athletic Department knows all of the above and would prefer to avoid November home games, though with the league schedule backloaded some years we're going to get stuck.  

Just some data for you Gate Raider.  Now back to regularly scheduled programming...
60salum

The Future wrote:
According to the AGS board, NDSU will have an opening on 9/10. So starting at Syracuse, NDSU, Yale, and Richmond (and having one home game for the first seven weeks of the season) could happen--and part of me likes the idea--until I remember that these kids also have to go to school.


Help me out with this: are we going to have a healthy or banged up team after running the gauntlet of 'Cuse, NDSU, Yale & Richmond?  It seems to me we are sacrificing a possible PL title in order to look "manly" and go through this torturous schedule. It may have worked for us last year, but our luck could run out. Also after watching NDSU demolish SHSU, I wonder if it's worth it?
Gate63

From a player's point of view I'd rather play at home in November when the league is likely to be on the line. No one on the team really cares about the crowd size other than their friends and family.

Home record in November (and later) since 2000:

2000 - 0-1
2001 - 1-1
2002 - 3-0
2003 - 4-0
2004 - 1-0
2005 - 1-0
2006 - 1-0
2007 - 1-0
2008 - 2-0
2009 - 1-0
2010 - 1-0
2011 - 1-0
2012 - 1-0
2013 - 1-2
2014 - 0-1
2015 - 2-0
Overall - 21-5
agatefan

Gate63 wrote:
From a player's point of view I'd rather play at home in November when the league is likely to be on the line. No one on the team really cares about the crowd size other than their friends and family.

Home record in November (and later) since 2000:

2000 - 0-1
2001 - 1-1
2002 - 3-0
2003 - 4-0
2004 - 1-0
2005 - 1-0
2006 - 1-0
2007 - 1-0
2008 - 2-0
2009 - 1-0
2010 - 1-0
2011 - 1-0
2012 - 1-0
2013 - 1-2
2014 - 0-1
2015 - 2-0
Overall - 21-5


your league games are ALWAYS home & home so this does NOT matter.
this discussion is re: OUT of conference games and they will always be earlier in the season.
Gate63

I'd rather play the majority of OOC games away anyway. Both as a player and a fan. You get to miss class, take a trip, stay in a nice hotel, see new stadiums, etc. I'm all for 3-4 home games (with 3 of them being league games).

Id bet my tax return that the majority of the team would jump at the chance to play at NDSU after playing at Cuse.
agatefan

Gate63 wrote:
I'd rather play the majority of OOC games away anyway. Both as a player and a fan. You get to miss class, take a trip, stay in a nice hotel, see new stadiums, etc. I'm all for 3-4 home games (with 3 of them being league games).

Id bet my tax return that the majority of the team would jump at the chance to play at NDSU after playing at Cuse.


perhaps but I don't think too many would mind playing a quality opponent at home in front of a sold out stadium.  to get there you have to start somewhere and one home game prior to the last weekend in Oct is not the way there
The Future

LH's post gets the blood pumping. You want to take on the best, right? It's a lot more interesting than playing 10 games. I think this would be my first choice. But I'm a bigger fan of a good story than logical thinking (Vegas loves me). In looking at the schedule, Syracuse (in terms of travel) is no different than a home game. It would really mean traveling 5 out of 6 weeks. At the same time, Colgate looked pretty gassed playing SHSU. How much of that was SHSU being better and how much of it was Colgate traveling three weeks in a row? Colgate made a ton of plays in the weeks leading up to SHSU. They made almost no plays in that game but they also just looked tentative. Might have been respecting that team to much--but they looked worn out. Who knows--it was a pretty great run against some very good teams.

I agree with 63 that the players would love to play this game. Playing at NDSU will be the best, most hostile environment they will ever play in--including Syracuse. That sounds like a lot of fun.

To 63 and 83's scheduling points, Colgate doesn't schedule the league games and should always play an FBS team. That leaves four games to schedule. (One of those won't be the opener most years because you will typically play an FBS school.) That leaves two home games to schedule in September and early October. The people scheduling these games have done an excellent job over the past few years--and next year's schedules is perfect--even adding another away game. I certainly would have been in favor of Bryant at home over this--and would be in favor of playing Albany home and home. Maybe this is all a big set up to schedule a home and home series with NDSU. They come to Hamilton this year and Colgate travels there next year. Now that's a good story.
Gate Raider

The players may not care about the number of fans who attend games but it would be wrong to think it doesn't matter.  Have attendance drop to less than 700 and there will be rumblings from many quarters about continuing the program.  It is very hard to justify spending several million dollars a year (scholarships, maintenance of Kerr, equipment, coaches salaries, travel, etc.)to play 4 or 5 five games a year in Hamilton.  Right now the large majority of students, faculty and administration could not care less about football.  Heck, I don't think there were any students at the Lehigh game and when some do attend they are gone at halftime.  The overwhelming majority of alum don't attend games because they are not close enough.  Homecoming adds to overall attendance as does family weekend but they can't be counted on.  You could easily start to see voices cropping up and questioning if the football dollars couldn't be used more beneficially elsewhere and in all honesty they could.  All that money spent on 80 or so kids while tuition keeps rising?  
   Gate'83 there is no possible way there were 2,970 fans at the 11/21 Lehigh game.  There wasn't even 500 there.  Watch the replay, if it is still available.  
   Look, I'm a very big fan of Colgate football and give the bucks to support it but at some point reality has to set in.  If even I question the value of the program to the school, just think about those that don't care about it.  Calls to discontinue football could easily appear.  Schools are dropping it, you know.  Offering scholarships has just added more fuel to the fire which just smolders under the surface.
   One more thing, it might help if they stop having a hockey game on the same day they have a football game.  Isn't that a no-brainer?
Gate63

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I imagine we can probably make more money from playing one FBS team on the road than we would by having 2 extra home games.

And as long as the football game is in the afternoon and the hockey game is at night, I don't see an issue. A doubleheader is more of a reason for distant alums to make a trip back.
agatefan

Gate63 wrote:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I imagine we can probably make more money from playing one FBS team on the road than we would by having 2 extra home games.

And as long as the football game is in the afternoon and the hockey game is at night, I don't see an issue. A doubleheader is more of a reason for distant alums to make a trip back.


if you spoke to players after the LU game MANY of them commented on how sad it was that their homefield stands were empty.  It may not affect their play but it does matter
Gate'83

There were two weekends with home football and hockey this year;

10/31 Family w/e Football v. Fordham, attendance 7,879
        Hockey (vs Providence) attendance 1,698 Friday, 1,579 Saturday

11/14 Football v. Lehigh, attendance 3,828
        Hockey v. Cornell, attendance 2,213

As we all know, Cornell is our biggest hockey draw of the year.  I doubt scheduling both on the same day impacts one way or the other.

GR, I was at the Lehigh game & agree there weren't 3828 fannies in seats, expect that's paid vs. turnstile attendance... actual turnout was way less than that.  I'd also say one of the bigger facilities mistakes we've made is overbuilding Andy Kerr, even our Homecoming & Family Day crowds don't fill it up.  Very difficult to get a true body count when they're strewn all over the stadium.

AGate, was on the field with the players post-Lehigh and saw only celebrations with family & friends.  I'm sure they'd love more support, wouldn't we all?  However, fan support makes zero material difference to them (I've asked recent players who I know well, they knew the deal coming in).  When I hear we've lost recruits because of the lack of passion in the fan base I'll know we've got a problem from the player's perspective.
The Future

Colgate has 32,000 alums. How many are within a 2 hour drive? How many people (not including alums) live within 30 minutes? The combined numbers have to to about the lowest in Division 1. The attendance for the Lehigh game was a shame. At the same time, I wonder what percentage of students went to a game that day. Hockey had a good turnout. Weren't there also soccer playoffs that day? Plus, these kids are going to a school where you actually have to study--which means you're probably not wandering from one sport to the next. Football attendance seems to have grown over the past 25 years--I'm just not sure if it is directly tied to how important of a game it is. Also, how many people are watching these games on their computer/TV? Seems like interest in the football team--and sports in general is pretty high at Colgate considering the size of the campus, how remote it is, and how often the weather isn't great.
Gate'83

Here's another way to look at student attendance... if all 3,000 or so students magically turned up at the Lehigh game we'd still be short of the Homecoming/Familly w/e turnouts.  

In the real world our student body is 55% female and almost 10% international, not to mention student athletes on other teams who have competing commitments.  Plus the kids who prefer to party on Saturdays.  My son for example... he'd love to tailgate & hit the football games but plays rugby so has been to maybe two games in 4 years.

Agree on your other population points Future.  I think the focus on driving "event" attendance is probably wise, now all we need to do is come up with something else that will make alums/parents drive 4-ish hours north besides Homecoming and Family w/e.  Whether we have 4 or 6 home games makes very little difference in the overall mix.
go'gate

go'gate wrote:
I'd be more concerned if we played a cupcake schedule.  In 2012, Lehigh finished 10-1...and didn't get an at-large bid.  That's what a winning season with a soft schedule will do for you - absolutely nothing.  We need to make the most of these 10 games.


Gate Raider wrote:
If you win the league you go to the playoffs.  Simple as that and it doesn't matter who you played OOC. Winning the league, not the OOC schedule, is the important thing.


We know about the autobid.  Lehigh was ranked 5th/8th in the country, finished 10-1, lost the PL autobid (4-1) to Colgate (5-0), and because of its soft OOC schedule, did not get an at-large.  They didn't deserve one, so let that be a lesson to all league members.  A good loss is probably better than a bad win.

As for football/hockey dates, I travel 4 hours and appreciate making a day of both events.  Depending on the weather, and families with kids, it's probably a no-go to attend both so they must choose one or the other.

I don't mind playing at home in November.  By then, our skills are set and our championship fate is on the line.  Win it at home in the cold or snow, that's Colgate grit for you!
agatefan

I don't mind playing at home in November.  By then, our skills are set and our championship fate is on the line.  Win it at home in the cold or snow, that's Colgate grit for you![/quote]

There will always be league games at home in Nov.  that's when you play league games and every other year they are home.
it's the lack of any home games early in the season that's at issue.
Bryant is not a cupcake and would be a home game on a nice Sept day in Hamilton as opposed to either no game or another away game.
the schedule is not a very well thought out one (at least it does not reflect one that was thought out) and that is a shame period.  beyond that this conversation rambles on and some want to flex their testosterone.
put the current schedule next to one with 6 home games out of 11 (5 is ok too) with a "Bryant type team" in the mix for a home and home  (and where are the caa teams?)  and ask the players which they prefer.
I'd bet the proverbial farm on the later
The Future

Livestream

Colgate's home games averaged 5,600 views on Livestream. The Lehigh game drew a good crowd--just not at The Kerrdome.

Lehigh 8.5k
Yale 5.4k
UNH 4.6k (just 3.6k for the first half)
Bucknell 4k
Fordham 5.7k

Also, Colgate's football signing day got 2,600 views.

http://livestream.com/watch/search?q=colgate%20football
Gate'83

Interesting, didn't realize that data was available.  Thanks, Future!  UNH game started at 6 so I'd bet the spike in views in the 2nd half corresponds to the end of the dinner hour... we've also got no way of knowing who's watching so the Lehigh # could be inflated by a large number of Engineers.
Raider Archivist

I've mentioned this before, in the context of gate's athletic/football niche in  future years.  The future strategy should not be trying to squeeze lemon out of the Hammy area, appeasing a few diehard students/alums willing to attend home games at Kerrdome, as wonderful as that experience is.

Rather leveraging its tough scheduling ( which will be disproportionately skewed to away games ) has the potential to reinforce and build the unique brand of the institution. Bringing attention to the Gate brand via streaming, traditional broadcasting and gaining local coverage for David-Goliath and other interesting match ups is what matters today. ( Any student, alum or anyone new to Gate has learned how to multi-task and access entertainment/sports, etc on any number of devices.)

It's hard to believe that Vickie, the BOT and other smart Gate stakeholders responsible for building the Gate brand aren't aware of how this evens the playing field for Gate and builds the brand.

The numbers from the streaming reveal that there is an audience out there to be captured for the benefit of the student-athletes, the students who care, the vast majority of alums and people waiting to become infatuated with this great brand. But, this audience is not going to be found in the stands of the Kerrdome. It's going to be via people multi-tasking by watching the game-- while working out, making love, eating at a restaurant, while in the bathroom, etc. And this will be not only from the domestic Raider Nation. But, from people everywhere. Filling the seats of Kerrdome beyond the minimal games that make sense is not what the smart money is looking at as an ROI on the 5.5 mill that Gate is dedicating to FCS football in 2016 and beyond.
Zappa

One home game in the first two months of the season is unacceptable. The hockey schedule is bad enough going two months without a home game, now this ? The two most beautiful months of the year in the Chenango Valley and one home game? Let's play in the dome when it's 80 outside and have freezing snow games with 1500 actual people in the stands in November. That helps our chances for a home playoff game, good Lord!
Gate Raider

Zappa, nails it.  The schedule for Colgate football and hockey for the last few years has been terrible.  Another year or two of this and Colgate football will just be a memory and no one will care and you could kiss it goodbye.  All you old guys should stop living in the past. Colgate is not moving to the FBS.  Home games are critical to keep Colgate football alive.  In another 15 or 20 years when older alum have passed there will be no one supporting the team because they will have hardly seen a game while attending Colgate.  Local fans will easily find other things to occupy their time instead of watching two games in the snow in November.  They will reach the point where they just don't care.  Students don't show up now, faculty members and the admin. hate football.  The only people in the stands will be 20 parents and the call to stop spending millions on football will get loud.  The program will shrink.  And, no matter what you say no player wants to play a home game in front of 100 fans.  There are plenty of other schools players can attend.  Colgate football will become the butt of jokes as it just about is now.  100 fans for the Lehigh game this year.  Colgate would be better off to drop football and concentrate on basketball.
CR(colorlessraider)

What are u smoking GR?  You are way off base and don't understand that the PL virtually controls our schedule.  The students are either geeks or watch the game on their IPads. Campus Insiders have changed the whole ball game.
the last indian

Football games

Many fans, particularly Alum are more likely to watch a game at Fordham, Princeton, Georgetown or Yale than in the valley.
The Future

It's very easy to say that no one is coming to home games if you ignore the 7,300 there for Yale and the 7,800 there for Fordham this past season.

I went to Colgate in the '80's and was there for a lot of games that had small crowds--and I don't think we ever played in front of 7,000. Thirty years later, Colgate is still playing in front of small home crowds on a beautiful campus in the middle of nowhere (for all sorts of reasons ignored in earlier posts). The only difference between Colgate football now and Colgate football all of those years ago is that the current program is trending upwards.

As for the Lehigh game, it was a crappy crowd. But I would also imagine more people watched that game live or over the internet than have come to any home game post Erenberg.

The upside for the alarmist posters is that the sky must be falling somewhere. The downside is that it's not in Hamilton, NY. (If you want to be really sad, go to the Colgate website and look at the players showing off their championship rings. If you really want to twist the knife, look at the photos of the seniors showing off their two rings. Tragic.)

This program is doing great and moving in the right direction.  

Go 'gate.
CR(colorlessraider)

The Future has nailed it.  Colgate football is in great shape.  Excellent coach. Terrific players and broad support of the team and Vicky Chun and her whole team!  Go 'Gate!!
agatefan

BOT directed athletics to drop them.  Think they felt Bryant wasn't a traditional opponent and doesn't fit the current "schedule up" attitude.  Of course if the alternative ends up being a 10 game schedule you'd have to call this a mistake...[/quote]

then let's call it a mistake!  had the pleasure of attending the football banquet Saturday (wonderful event!)  and was told that the 2nd week will remain open and only 10 games will be played.  Spoke to over 20 players about the 10 games and only 4 home games NOT one of them liked it, NOT one!!
Gate'83

Hey, that's my quote!  I stand by it, would much rather have an 11th game and if it's at home in September, all the better.  I know for sure when we dropped Bryant the intent was to replace the game with another opponent, looks like that didn't work out.  So chalk it up as a mistake, but let's not then extrapolate that attendance is declining, the program is dying, etc... when there's no evidence to back those assertions up.
agatefan

Gate'83 wrote:
Hey, that's my quote!  I stand by it, would much rather have an 11th game and if it's at home in September, all the better.  I know for sure when we dropped Bryant the intent was to replace the game with another opponent, looks like that didn't work out.  So chalk it up as a mistake, but let's not then extrapolate that attendance is declining, the program is dying, etc... when there's no evidence to back those assertions up.


I never said that the program was dying, I simply stated the obvious: the 2016 schedule sux!  and the players, especially the Sr's deserve better!
Gate'83

Agate, check out GR's comment from 2/20.  Think that's what folks are reacting to...
agatefan

Gate'83 wrote:
Agate, check out GR's comment from 2/20.  Think that's what folks are reacting to...


ok, thnx
Zappa

Bla bla bla, mamby pamby. Stream the games while making love or in the bathroom ?? How sad !
What about the locals, I haven't missed a Gate home game in maybe 20-25 years, I can't even tell you the last time I missed a game. I guess I've been watching since around 1953 when my parents would take me to the games. Father dressed like Vince Lombardy, it was suits and fur coats worn to the games.
Maybe I live a shallow life but their are many diehards that live and die with Gate football and hockey. We look forward to seeing old alums and people that we don't see except at these events(like Gate83). Maybe we don't count with our shallow pockets, and you guys think streaming a game once or twice a year if they make the playoffs suffices, believe it or not their are more important things in life than money.
One home game in Sept and Oct is just brutal, come to a game in September with the changing leaves, theirs nothing like it.
Gate'83

Zap, look forward to seeing you Friday.  Maybe for the women at 3 and then hit the Southern Tier tap takeover at Rusch's?

At least we're at 'Cuse next year... that's closer to your house than Colgate I think!
The Future

Not having an 11th game is a mistake. There are far worse things than playing Bryant at home early in the season (like not having an 11th game).

Zappa, you have probably been to a few hundred more home games than I have, how do you think attendance has changed over the years? Numbers are inflated now with season ticket holders but crowds also look smaller with the Dunlap stands. I was there for 2-9 Colgate playing Davidson in the snow so I know they were some (very) small crowds mixed in with the big ones.

Anybody know is the 10 games is set in stone or if they are still looking? Seems like NDSU might have an opening--maybe Vicky gets a home and home with them and everybody is happy. (Though I am sure there is a down side to this somewhere posters can find.)

Also, where is Maven? Does Gate '80 have him (or her) handcuffed to the old board? Maven knows stuff!!!
agatefan

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Anybody know is the 10 games is set in stone or if they are still looking? Seems like NDSU might have an opening--maybe Vicky gets a home and home with them and everybody is happy. (Though I am sure there is a down side to this somewhere posters can find.)

NDSU is not happening (at least not for 2016)
The Future

Gotcha agatefan, thanks.

Do you know if it being 10 games is set?
agatefan

The Future wrote:
Gotcha agatefan, thanks.

Do you know if it being 10 games is set?


as far as I know yes it is.  But......??
'gate80

I have to believe it was a miscalculation to drop Bryant and wind up with a 10-game schedule. Why not travel to Montana State on Sept 10, like Bryant is going to do, and play a great FCS program in front of 18,000-20,000? While I agree it is better to play up rather than schedule schools like Bryant, I would not have dropped them if the alternative is no game. I doubt Vicky would either, and that she thought she could get a marquee opponent. Maybe we'll understand better when the 2017 schedule is finalized.

While I'm glad that the BOT thinks our fb schedule shouldn't include Bryant, it cracks me up that they're suddenly so concerned. Where were they when we were scheduling Central Connecticut State and Monmouth in the afterglow of 2003, rather than build on that year's incredible success? Or 20 years before when we were taking unprecedented actions to destroy the program? Vickie making a miscalculation trying to play up is a mistake I can forgive, compared to other past decisions. She gets the big picture.
CR(colorlessraider)

Gate'80,

Different President and a totally different Trustee Board from Cental Conn era. Some key trustees told Vicky to drop.  I also hope we get a good replacement game, but getting real late.
Gate'83

Believe we're stuck at 10 for this Fall.  2017, dunno... will ask.  Agree w/ CR that the decision to drop Bryant was not Vicky's, she was told what to do...

Glad to see you on the new board, 80!
The Future

Had a feeling the What Sports Did For Colgate thread would be too much for '80 to resist.

Good to have you here, '80.

Also good to see The HooDoo back at work:

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