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jb'74

Creme de la Creme

Well, I know that we have an" off" week, and I know that this new Board is in its "launch" phase, but it would be nice to go less than a 48 hour stretch without some degree of communication about Colgate football. In an effort to spark some discussion from a topic that has no correct answers given the bona fide credentials of every individual in the fray, here, with a hope for a  vigorous argument from other posters, is my list of 'Gate's 10 top running backs since the late "60's : 1). Marv Hubbard 2). Mark van Eeghan 3).Rich Erenberg 4.)Henry White 5). Kenny Gamble 6).Randall Joseph 7).Nate Eachus Cool. Jamaal Branch 9). Jordan Scott 10). Jordan McCord. (Observations are not keyed to Colgate player stats, but reflect pro accomplishments and personal reflections conveyed by more than one coach).
Gate Raider

No argument with that list.  I'm just happy 'gate has gotten away from the "platoon" style of running backs or there may never be another one added to the list.  I do have a couple of relatively recent performances that were pretty good.  First, Eachus falling down on the one yard line to keep HC from getting the ball back.  Second,  McCord's game at Lehigh in 2012 where the win took the PL championship right out of Lehigh's hands.  Andy Coen in the post game press conference is perplexed and at a loss to explain their loss.  The video of it is on youtube.  Watching it you actually feel sorry for the guy.
jb'74

So on target with your Eachus/McCord specifics. The HC play that kept the ball away from their Mad Bomber QB (Dom Randolph?) was a championship win (and perhaps the best of Nate's many Paul Bunyan exploits). McCord was magic in that Lehigh championship victory, and one can only speculate on his 'Gate career #'s absent his time in the backfield coinciding with his teammate Nate.
CR(colorlessraider)

Rich Erenberg

Had a fantastic end run vs U of Penn where he dipped in and then out to score on Penn's defense led by Tom Gilmore who is Holy Cross coach today.
the last indian

Running backs

How do we compare athletes who played in an era where we were a true D-1 team with FBS teams?  I think that tilts this discussion towards Hubbard and Van Eagen. They both had long and successful pro careers, which few have enjoyed since.
the last indian

Above

I meant "FCS" teams versus "FBS".
Gate Raider

Eachus at Cornell in '08

As a freshman Eachus was playing linebacker in this game, had 3 tackles including a sack, when Jordan Scott left the game with an injury and was replaced by Nate.  In a little over 2 quarters he ran for 241 yards (eighth best in CU history) and 3 TD's.  Ended up with 932 rushing yards for the season and was named PL ROY.  A very tough running back.  You know the rest of they story.
CR(colorlessraider)

Erenberg

Was in the pros five years retiring with the Steelers.
Gate'83

I might move two of my favorites... Kenny Gamble and Henry White... even higher up the list.  But overall, you've got them right!

Dom Randolph graduated the Cross '09 (looked it up) so I don't think he was the QB when Nate slid.  But I do remember that play, as well as Erenberg hitting a baseline jumper over my block attempt in high school hoops.  Maybe that's why I don't want to move him up the RB list?
jb'74

Hey you crazy poster alums/friends ! Thanks for the Board activity on this non-game weekend. Just a few detail responses (and while I may be off,  Doc Reading, Doc Askew and Doc Blackton always said dates/details  make a difference) : 1). I do believe Randolph was the HC QB in that Eachus game. Nate was a freshman in the 2008 season, which lines up with Randolph graduating in the Spring of 2009. (And I think that the play that kept that game from getting away from us was a 50 +/- yard TD pass from our Greg Sullivan to Pat Symonds right after an opening scoring TD by HC's Randolph. Sully's reply both shut down their road game momentum and braced our troops). 2). I'm pretty certain that Nate's inaugural RB performance, as stated, was as a freshman coming in after starting the game as a stud @ LB, but it was actually as a frosh at Cornell, and he came in after a sideline injury to Jordan Scott, not Jordan McCord ( I think that Coach Biddle was particularly upset about the hit administered by the Big Red on Scott). In his four career games against Cornell, Nate came close to rushing for 1,000 yards. 3).It was Rich Ehrenberg who had the solid career with Pittsburg, and he won his job after an opportunity to get on the field in the second half of a pre-season game against the Dallas Cowboys that happened to be a national TV broadcast by ABC's Monday Night football crew (Howard C., Frank G. and Don M.) I'm pretty sure that it was one of ABC's first forays into the pre-season realm, but remember, in 1984 that game, w/o cable, internet, etc. had a huge audience. Rich lit it up with a series of great , gutsy runs and Howard was on fire about "The Red Raiders of the Chenango Valley" and RE's link to Marv H. and Mark v.(BTW, Rich E.'s first varsity touch for 'Gate was as a freshman kick returner in our 1980 season opener on the road at Penn State. That happened to be a game opening TD to put us up 7-0 over the Nittany Lions. (We lost 55-7, but it was a true indicator of what laid ahead for our #22). 4). While I stand by the numerical ranking of our RB's that I tossed out for discussion,  special remarks are appropriate for Kenny Gamble and Jamal Branch, our Walter Payton Award winners.  KG was the inaugural recipient of that remarkable award.  Jamal holds my vote for the single most important carry in this post-"late 60's" review : His +/- 70 yard TD run in the 4th qtr. at Holy Cross in 2003.  We were trying to go 12-0 , but trailed a fairly weak Crusader team.  Jamal would not let the dream season die, pushed us down the field twice late in the game, and our run stretched to stayed alive to 15-0 en route to Chattanooga.
'gate80

If we are including professional careers I would have to put van Eeghan ahead of Hubbard, as he had 3 straight 1000-yd seasons and led the AFC in rushing one year, and was on 2 Super Bowl winning teams. His stats on both Raider teams were better than Hubbard's. The rest of the players were during my day, and I'd have to say the best to my eyes was Kenny Gamble. He set a NCAA record for all-purpose total yds which lasted for quite awhile, and was inducted into the college football hall of fame. He ran for 129 yds (most in the first half) against an undefeated Syracuse team which finished ranked among the top-4 teams in the nation. Unfortunately his career coincided with the first years of the self-induced gutting of the program. He did have a 3-year NFL career as a kick returner with the KC Chiefs. I'd put Erenberg and White next, followed by Eachus/Branch.
Gate Raider

[quote="jb'74:1130"]Hey you crazy poster alums/friends ! Thanks for the Board activity on this non-game weekend. Just a few detail responses (and while I may be off,  Doc Reading, Doc Askew and Doc Blackton always said dates/details  make a difference) : 1). I do believe Randolph was the HC QB in that Eachus game. Nate was a freshman in the 2008 season, which lines up with Randolph graduating in the Spring of 2009. (And I think that the play that kept that game from getting away from us was a 50 +/- yard TD pass from our Greg Sullivan to Pat Symonds right after an opening scoring TD by HC's Randolph. Sully's reply both shut down their road game momentum and braced our troops). 2). I'm pretty certain that Nate's inaugural RB performance, as stated, was as a freshman coming in after starting the game as a stud @ LB, but it was actually as a frosh at Cornell, and he came in after a sideline injury to Jordan Scott, not Jordan McCord ( I think that Coach Biddle was particularly upset about the hit administered by the Big Red on Scott). In his four career games against Cornell, Nate came close to rushing for 1,000 yards. 3).It was Rich Ehrenberg who had the solid career with Pittsburg, and he won his job after an opportunity to get on the field in the second half of a pre-season game against the Dallas Cowboys that happened to be a national TV broadcast by ABC's Monday Night football crew (Howard C., Frank G. and Don M.) I'm pretty sure that it was one of ABC's first forays into the pre-season realm, but remember, in 1984 that game, w/o cable, internet, etc. had a huge audience. Rich lit it up with a series of great , gutsy runs and Howard was on fire about "The Red Raiders of the Chenango Valley" and RE's link to Marv H. and Mark v.(BTW, Rich E.'s first varsity touch for 'Gate was as a freshman kick returner in our 1980 season opener on the road at Penn State. That happened to be a game opening TD to put us up 7-0 over the Nittany Lions. (We lost 55-7, but it was a true indicator of what laid ahead for our #22). 4). While I stand by the numerical ranking of our RB's that I tossed out for discussion,  special remarks are appropriate for Kenny Gamble and Jamal Branch, our Walter Payton Award winners.  KG was the inaugural recipient of that remarkable award.  Jamal holds my vote for the single most important carry in this post-"late 60's" review : His +/- 70 yard TD run in the 4th qtr. at Holy Cross in 2003.  We were trying to go 12-0 , but trailed a fairly weak Crusader team.  Jamal would not let the dream season die, pushed us down the field twice late in the game, and our run stretched to stayed alive to 15-0 en route to Chattanooga.[/quote]
Gate Raider

[quote="Gate Raider:1139"][quote="jb'74:1130"]Hey you crazy poster alums/friends ! Thanks for the Board activity on this non-game weekend. Just a few detail responses (and while I may be off,  Doc Reading, Doc Askew and Doc Blackton always said dates/details  make a difference) : 1). I do believe Randolph was the HC QB in that Eachus game. Nate was a freshman in the 2008 season, which lines up with Randolph graduating in the Spring of 2009. (And I think that the play that kept that game from getting away from us was a 50 +/- yard TD pass from our Greg Sullivan to Pat Symonds right after an opening scoring TD by HC's Randolph. Sully's reply both shut down their road game momentum and braced our troops). 2). I'm pretty certain that Nate's inaugural RB performance, as stated, was as a freshman coming in after starting the game as a stud @ LB, but it was actually as a frosh at Cornell, and he came in after a sideline injury to Jordan Scott, not Jordan McCord ( I think that Coach Biddle was particularly upset about the hit administered by the Big Red on Scott). In his four career games against Cornell, Nate came close to rushing for 1,000 yards. 3).It was Rich Ehrenberg who had the solid career with Pittsburg, and he won his job after an opportunity to get on the field in the second half of a pre-season game against the Dallas Cowboys that happened to be a national TV broadcast by ABC's Monday Night football crew (Howard C., Frank G. and Don M.) I'm pretty sure that it was one of ABC's first forays into the pre-season realm, but remember, in 1984 that game, w/o cable, internet, etc. had a huge audience. Rich lit it up with a series of great , gutsy runs and Howard was on fire about "The Red Raiders of the Chenango Valley" and RE's link to Marv H. and Mark v.(BTW, Rich E.'s first varsity touch for 'Gate was as a freshman kick returner in our 1980 season opener on the road at Penn State. That happened to be a game opening TD to put us up 7-0 over the Nittany Lions. (We lost 55-7, but it was a true indicator of what laid ahead for our #22). 4). While I stand by the numerical ranking of our RB's that I tossed out for discussion,  special remarks are appropriate for Kenny Gamble and Jamal Branch, our Walter Payton Award winners.  KG was the inaugural recipient of that remarkable award.  Jamal holds my vote for the single most important carry in this post-"late 60's" review : His +/- 70 yard TD run in the 4th qtr. at Holy Cross in 2003.  We were trying to go 12-0 , but trailed a fairly weak Crusader team.  Jamal would not let the dream season die, pushed us down the field twice late in the game, and our run stretched to stayed alive to 15-0 en route to Chattanooga.         [/quote][/quote]  I was at that Cornell game and Scott was hit late and out of bounds right in front of me.  It was clearly a foul and no penalty was called.  The result was a high ankle sprain.  Scott had one earlier in high school.  Biddle and fans complained to no avail.  Once Eachus started his running everyone was asking "who is this guy."  Cornell was stunned.

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