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The Future

Syracuse Game

Here is Colgate's two deep.

http://gocolgateraiders.com.s3.am..._Game_Notes_Syracuse_.pdf?id=4375

Seeing Maddaluna not listed is a bummer. Anybody know how long he will be out?

Lots of sophomores in the two deep--more than any other class. Good to see Wisneiwski got a red shirt year. Like the idea of Wilkins at FB. Good to have him on the field. Freshman Abu Daramy handling all of the returns should be interesting. Kid was very good at it in high school. Puzzi the freshman or Bowman listed as the kicker. Looks like a very solid team--and younger than I would have thought.

Go 'gate!
Gate'83

Also looks to be a 3 man rotation at DE between Afriye, Steffen and Field at DE, hopefully keeps them all fresh.  Plus with the added depth at dback Morgan is back to LB... hope that means we're going to be fast back there.  Don't love the "or" attached to the kicker, seems like we fumble around with them annually...
Zappa

Just saw the two man. Also lists Steffen as a linebacker and DE. Field, Afriye Diener and Steffen all at once. I like it.
Maddaluna MIA ?  Owen Rocket soph listed I remember last year as a speedburner(no pun intended) runs something like a 4.3 40.
Gate63

Where'd you find the notes on the site, Future?
The Future

Game notes were under Football and then Game Central.

Zappa, the Steffen at LB is his younger brother.
The Future

Hunt Radio Interview
http://espncny.com/includes/news_items/6/28001/83116danhuny.mp3

Hunt Article
https://www.syracuse.com/collegef..._until_he_remembered_raiders.html
Zappa

The Future wrote:
Game notes were under Football and then Game Central.

Zappa, the Steffen at LB is his younger brother.

Ahhh, tyvm, makes it even more interesting, maybe both Steffen's at once at some time.
Zappa

Last night watched part of an hour long preview of SU on a local network. They are taking us seriously.
Raider Archivist

James Holland Interview

James Holland Interview

http://americansportsnet.com/jame...ing-up-to-preseason-expectations/
The Future

The Holland interview is pretty great.

Here's an article with predictions from Syracuse writers (and then fans in the comments).
http://www.syracuse.com/orangefoo..._picks_make_your_predictions.html

Most Syracuse writers and fans are in line with the Vegas spread--which has been around 27 1/2.

Another article:

http://www.nunesmagician.com/2016...-watch-orange-raiders-game-friday

In the comments at the bottom of the last article an impassioned Syracuse fan says, "You be your ass I am buying in." Hard to argue with that.
'gate80

24 points

It is absolutely stunning to me how dead this board is the day of our only fifth game against Syracuse in the last half century, especially after the playoff run last year.

The spreads I find are about 24 points, consistent with Sagarin and other ratings, and not 27-29 as previously mentioned.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/lines
The Future

Any Given Saturday mentioned that it was 27.5. Don't know if it is dropping or if that info was wrong.

See a lot of people on Facebook going to the game and there is certainly a ton of coverage in the Syracuse papers. Think people are excited for this game--just not posting about it here.

Looking forward to tonight.

Go 'gate!!!
Raider Archivist

Re: 24 points

'gate80 wrote:
It is absolutely stunning to me how dead this board is the day of our only fifth game against Syracuse in the last half century, especially after the playoff run last year.

The spreads I find are about 24 points, consistent with Sagarin and other ratings, and not 27-29 as previously mentioned.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/lines


I agree gate 80. I'm like a kid on Christmas morning. Does anyone know whether this is a "thing" on campus ?

Let's whoop it up here !
The Future

Here is all of the info from a Syracuse paper on how to watch stuff, etc.

http://dailyorange.com/2016/09/sy...-know-about-matchup-with-colgate/
CR(colorlessraider)

Thank for digging out the info
Gate Raider

Some folks are actually working and Labor Day weekend doesn't help.  Looks like there will be more Colgate fans at the game than the last time. There isn't   that much to discuss about this game.  SU a big favorite.  I hope 'gate can keep the game within 17 points.  That would be a big victory in my mind.
bluefish

http://archives.syr.edu/exhibits/colgate.html

fyi
bluefish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpj96AatRgg

get ready
60salum

'Cuse up 35-7 at the moment Sad

Guess the spread was right on....
60salum

Correction, 33-7 and that's a final. Good OOC tune-up for the rest of the season   Smile
jb'74

We go into every one of these season opening step-up games hoping that Santa Claus really exists. Anyway, my hope, in view of past history, was that we would keep 'Cuse under 40. The D can be complimented on that result. They showed real guts (and a bright light for the rest of the season) in limiting several TD threats to FG's.  I was also hoping for double digits out of the O, but I'm not about to find fault with any aspect of their prep or effort. I know the tools are there as we go forward, and that a  greater mix of options will ultimately be brought to bear. We were physical (but the mantra expressed for more than a decade on this Board by The Last Indian, et al about finishing tackles certainly rings true).  All in all, I think we are exactly where we thought we would be at 10:35 pm on September 2nd (and , hopefully not as wounded as may have been possible, especially in view of the fact that J. Maddaluna was on the field and contributed). Two weeks to go to an essential confrontation in the Yale Bowl. (BTW, my wife's grandfather was the contractor who provided the original wooden seats in the Bowl 100 years ago. Some still exist in place, but I'm pleased to know that the statute of limitations has run on splinter injury claims).
Gate Raider

Good crowd of 'gate fans at the game.  Defense did a good job.  After scoring first it looked like Colgate would be able to put up more points but things quickly sputtered.  SU just had too much speed in the LB DB corps. Colgate couldn't turn the corner on runs.  Melville didn't have his best day and  receivers couldn't hold on to the ball. which hurt.  SU was able to put pressure on him.  I have heard the coaches say the players love to play these games but they are not fun to watch.  They are pretty much games you know you are going to lose and you face the risk of injury which could change the result of  the rest of the season.  I don't get it .
BTW, the SU dome has to be the worst venue in the country for fans.  You can't understand the announcer and even when the crowd isn't making any noise, the place is so noisy it is annoying.
Zappa

Pretty much what was expected, I say "enough is enough", it would be fitting to end the series tied. Melville hurt would about end our season, wake up. Colgate does not need the $400,000 or whatever the amount is they receive.
Our defensive secondary was pathetic, just like last year, gave up 454 yards on 34-40 passing.
The defensive line was great, take away the 49 yard touchdown run and SU was held to 68 yards rushing, 117 yards total.
The important thing is I guess no one is too banged up, get ready for Yale and Richmond, the latter made it to the national semi final last year.
Gate'83

Agree with all the commenters on the D playing hard, Cuse being too fast for our O, and especially with Gate Raider on what a lousy venue the Dome is for a game.  Bad lighting, couldn't understand the audio, hot, parking is a pain... I'll take a game at the Kerrdome in the snow over a Dome trip anytime.

Also agree there was a nice Colgate crowd, and quite a few undergrads came out which was great.  And was able to confirm that we will be selling beer at the home football, hockey and basketball games this year, so that's something to definitely look forward to!
'gate80

Let's be real. The team played well, especially the defense. For all the moaning and hand-wringing, that's actually the fewest points we have given up to Syracuse going back a dozen games since before I was born (and only 1 of those games was marginally closer). Don't think they wouldn't have liked to score a few more in their new coach's debut. And while it may have resulted in some big plays against Colgate, I'm not sure how this up tempo, play every 16 seconds crap is going to fare against Clemson, Florida State, and Notre Dame later this year.

Some dropped passes that could have kept drives going hurt, including one in the red zone. Melville also seemed a bit off-target but was usually under pressure. I left the game feeling optimistic about the team this year. Nobody got hurt. Is Colgate athletics so flush with cash that we can't use 400k? (My Maroon Council contribution had to buy helmets one year!) The Richmond game should be interesting. They are playing Virginia today, a school they play regularly. Other schools they've played multiple games with in the last decade or so include Duke and Vanderbilt, as well as games with Maryland and NC State, and future games with Pitt, Va Tech, and BC. We should be striving to be like their fb program. We can have a game with Syracuse every 6 years for cryin out loud.
the last indian

I agree with Gate '80.  We are still in transition from a non scholarship program.  Each year the in-coming class is marginally better.  We finally have a president, who is supportive and not trying to undermine the program.
I was impressed with Daramy, who I think we will see more of.  Also Rocket (what a great name for a WR) played well.  Our front 7 defense was terrific, but the secondary has problems against quick receivers.  I think there are QB's at our level that can exploit that weakness.  For the most part the O-line was pretty good.  Clearly, Melville was a bit anxious and off the mark.  I think he let the hype and stage get to him.  He doesn't have the speed to get outside against a defense like we saw last night.
I do like the FBS games.  Yes, those are a challenge.  But we are getting better and the kids love them.  They now know that they have faced their toughest opponent for the year.  The money is not inconsequential, either.  Most of the better FCS teams are also facing off against FBS programs and we should too.
I think that if we were playing last year's Syracuse team the would have been much closer.
The Future

The best teams in the FCS play FBS teams.
Colgate wants to be one of the best teams in the FCS.
Therefore, Colgate must play FBS teams.
Additionally, recruits want to play games against FBS teams.
Playing against FBS teams helps recruit better players, thus making Colgate a better team.
Adding to the list of why Colgate needs to play FBS teams is that pay a lot of money to play teams like Colgate. How ever many hundreds of thousands of dollars Colgate for to play this game helps Colgate football.

In terms of the game, there were certainly some positives. Syracuse could not run the ball against Colgate. They ran the ball 35 times for 117 yards. That's 3.3 yards per carry. Take out the one 49 yard run (where Colgate missed a tackle) and Syracuse ran the ball 34 times for 68 yards. That's 2 yards a carry.

At what expense is the question. Syracuse was 40-46 passing for 437. Stopping the run is great, but a team completing 40 passes against you is tough to overcome. Colgate's red zone d was great. The last Syracuse TD was a fluke (and a very good play by the Syracuse QB.) Not sure why Colgate doesn't bring the red zone defensive philosophy to the rest of the game. Seems like the Colgate front seven is going to get to the QB if you take away the quick pitch and catch. At this point, I'm not sure why you don't game plan to throw the ball four yards on every play if you are playing Colgate. (Syracuse's reception leader had 14 catches for 87 yards.)

That being said, giving up 33 points (and Syracuse was certainly trying to score at the end when both teams had pulled a lot of starters) is a very good defensive effort against an ACC school--especially considering the speed of the offense Syracuse was running and how quickly Colgate's offense was giving the ball back to them. Not sure if anyone predicted Syracuse scoring fewer than 33 points in this game.

Also, I can't imagine there being a worse match up for Colgate's defense this year than the offense (independent of skill level) that Syracuse was running. Cairnie had a great game. Wisnieski is going to absolutely blow some people up this year and Trent Williams looked great (which might be the most important defensive takeaway from this game).

On offense, Holland had 8 rushes for 40 yards in the first half--that's five yards a carry. No Colgate TB (including Holland) ran the ball in the third quarter. 10 of Colgate's first 11 plays to start the second half were pass plays. The commentators mentioned Holland having a hamstring problem in camp, and I'm not sure if that factored in to what they were running, but it felt like Colgate really got away from its offensive philosophy a bit in the second half.

For all of the great catches the Syracuse guys made, the Colgate receivers would probably like to have some plays back. The back shoulder throw and catch for the TD was just a great, incredibly confident play and Melville seemed to find open guys for the first half. Everything got harder in the second half when Colgate abandoned the run. (Feels strange to type that.)

Really curious to see what Daramy does over the rest of the season (and his career). Kid just looks special. Think he is going to give some teams some real headaches in the return game beginning in a couple of weeks.

Think it was good to get Attwood some snaps. Kid seems to have a very strong arm. Hope he learns how to slide away from a tackler a bit. Jake is so good at not take hits straight on (while still gaining yards) and a Colgate QB really needs to have that skill to survive.  

Very hard to tell how Cerra was punting the ball from the computer. Know he crushed one on the bad snap (he made some very good plays to handle the snaps). Seems like he was intentionally kicking the ball out of bounds--which means he was hitting the ball pretty well if he was able to average 40 yards a punt while limiting returns.  

Overall, great to see them playing in that kind of venue against an ACC team. Yale and then Richmond will be very good tests for these guys. Yale is certainly good at that underneath passing game and crossing routes, etc. Looking forward to seeing 'gate getting one back against the Bulldogs.

Go 'gate!
Gate Raider

Good summary Future, except for the logic in the first part.  A team can be the best FCS team and not play a FBS team.  An FCS team can also play a lower level FBS team and be more competitive with less risk of injury to a key player.  In '03 Colgate played Buffalo and won and went on to play in the national championship game without scholarships.  I'm not sure the wish list of an 18 year old high school recruit should hold much weight.
The Future

The best teams in the FCS play FBS teams. You may be able to become one of the best teams and not play FBS schools but that is not currently the case (and it hasn't been the case in a while).

The wish list of the 18 year old recruit includes which school he wants to attend. Recruits want to play against FBS schools.

On a side note, Richmond is up 16-7 on Virginia at half (and has missed some scoring opportunities). They had 307 yards in total offense in the first half. Virginia had 116.
60salum

Looking back on Week 1, it appears that Fordham got smoked by Navy and apparently lost a large number of all-PL players on the D line. Lehigh shows us nothing in their game vs. Monmouth...what a stinker. Congrats to G'town on their win vs a weak Davidson team that shot itself in the foot several times. The Cross comes away with the huge win and may be the PL Team Of The Week, depending on the outcome of tonight's Bison-Red Foxes game.

Agree with many posts here about the advantage of facing a D-1A team (hate this FKS, FRS, FUT, nomenclature) as an OOC foe early in the season. I only worry that someone will get injured and throw our whole season down the drain. It's always risky, but worth it if everyone stays healthy.
Gate63

Richmond beat UVA 37-20.

Cerra was very good in person. He was clearly instructed to keep the ball away from their returner and you could not do a better job than he did. Most that landed out of bounds did so by about 2 yards, which is exactly what you want. He appeared to be favoring something with the way he was warming up at halftime (maybe lingering from the running into penalty?), but it did not have any effect on his 2nd half punts.
jb'74

OK,  We are still licking our wounds, but we certainly live to fight another day.  We've been in worse shape after game one in the past, and I believe that the consensus on this Board holds out a ton of positives for this team as we move on.  That being said, our opponent on 9/24 beat a team (Virginia) that is arguably a notch ahead of its ACC rival "Cuse. Our match-up with Yale is beyond huge.  We should have won last year's game in Hamilton but for the fact that our young transitioning team had yet to learn how to finish.  That changed with Holy Cross the following week. We should be in a more advanced level at this point of the team's maturation. It's time to play our A game at every level and find the killer instinct. Third and long should never be our opponent's best play, and we need to move beyond biting our nails with goal line defensive stances at the end of every game. The talent is there, as is the effort, guidance and leadership.  Let's do it !
TheValleyRaider

jb'74 wrote:
OK,  We are still licking our wounds, but we certainly live to fight another day.  We've been in worse shape after game one in the past, and I believe that the consensus on this Board holds out a ton of positives for this team as we move on.  That being said, our opponent on 9/24 beat a team (Virginia) that is arguably a notch ahead of its ACC rival "Cuse. Our match-up with Yale is beyond huge.  We should have won last year's game in Hamilton but for the fact that our young transitioning team had yet to learn how to finish.  That changed with Holy Cross the following week. We should be in a more advanced level at this point of the team's maturation. It's time to play our A game at every level and find the killer instinct. Third and long should never be our opponent's best play, and we need to move beyond biting our nails with goal line defensive stances at the end of every game. The talent is there, as is the effort, guidance and leadership.  Let's do it !


I'm not sure that's true. I think Syracuse will be improved from years past, while Virginia looks pretty terrible. I don't think too many people are particularly shocked that Richmond won. Maybe the way they won, but not the victory itself.

I agree about Yale. Huge game, very winnable. Right now, my best case scenario for Richmond involves us being competitive enough to build confidence and win the playoff rematch (like UNH last year Cool ). With only 10 games, we can't afford to go worse than 2-2 OOC to have a playoff shot beyond winning the League.
The Future

Pretty interesting breakdown of how Syracuse attacked Colgate on the first drive. Morgan was really close to getting the pick on that first play.

The TD catch was a really good play--perfect ball and great catch (and a good penalty by Colgate). For whatever didn't go Colgate's way in that game, Syracuse also made some really good plays on passes that were well-defended.

http://dailyorange.com/2016/09/sy...vered-colgates-1st-touchdown-one/

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