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Gonzaga 80 Gate 50

Really poor shooting by Gate.
6'3" Josie Stockill has been stymied the last couple of games after being a force in the paint in the first few games. Thought they looked improved from last year in their first couple of games, in defeat. Not sure about it now.
Nicci needs to bag a hot shooting recruit to catalyze this team. Two bright spots off the bench: Sophomore Ariel Etheridge brings a lot of energy consistently on both sides of the court and adds 5-10 pts consistently in her 10 to 15 minutes. Freshman Mylah Chandler has a nice consistent shot and is very athletic with a soft shot--5 points consistently in her 5 to 10 minutes.
Gate'83

They look more athletic than in the past but the results certainly aren't there yet.  Losing to Gonzaga is no surprise, holding out hope that we'll be competitive in league play.  

On the other hand, the guys beating UNH today was encouraging... they beat the Cross by 4 in Worcester, hoping that's good news for how we'll stack up in the PL.
Critic

The men were quite tough and impressive against a strong, quick UNH team. Georgia Tech will be a tough game, but a nice prep for the PL opener at home 12/30 vs the Leopards.
Raider Archivist

WBB: St. Bonnie 62 Gate 38

With a 1-8 record from a tough o.o.c. schedule, this WBB team will face an almost equally hapless team at Lafayette ( 2-6 ) on Tuesday Dec. 22nd. This should be more of a realistic test of whether and how the ladies can compete in a very weak PL WBB group this year. ( Presumably, this is what the extraordinary o.o.c competition they've faced so far has been about. )

There are 6 teams ( incl. gate ) in this year's very weak group of PL teams that have horrible o.o.c. records, with Loyola having the most wins, with 3. That's why I've enjoyed watching Nicci for going-on-5-years now. I'm curious whether she can scratch-and-claw Gate into the middle of the PL ?
That would be an accomplishment, given what she inherited. And it's fotunate for her that the league is so bad this year that she has a chance to do this in the 2015-16 season, her 5th year. This would happen despite her lack of recruiting any outlier players and taking so long to create a stable staff to get here.

For the detractors, what sucks about this team is the absence of (a) consistent shooter(s) and lackluster/inconsistent shooting overall.
Their shot selection isn't bad. They're capable of playing good D and bringing high energy, on occasion, and have a decent rotation that keeps teams adjusting. On the occasional night that their shooters are mostly on, they have the pieces to beat any of the other 5 teams with equally bad records. Under those conditions, a fluke night, they could possibly upset or scare one of the 4 good teams, as well.

If you don't have this kind of perspective, the 1-8 record may be misleading, and the o.o.c. schedule strategy may seem odd. Let's hope that's the case, at least ? But this isn't the type of entertainment for the viewers on the Board who are looking for more immediate entertainment.
Critic

I enjoyed that analysis and pretty much agree with it. I watched the women play against UConn and I am still impressed with what I saw on the court....hustle, heart, teamwork, etc.... and what I heard during the post-game presser....class, enthusiasm, positivity, etc. I'm hoping for a good showing in the PL and I can only wish all these young 'gate women the best.  They represent us well.
bison137

Raider Archivist wrote:
WBB: St. Bonnie 62 Gate 38

With a 1-8 record from a tough o.o.c. schedule, this WBB team will face an almost equally hapless team at Lafayette ( 2-6 ) on Tuesday Dec. 22nd. This should be more of a realistic test of whether and how the ladies can compete in a very weak PL WBB group this year. ( Presumably, this is what the extraordinary o.o.c competition they've faced so far has been about. )

There are 6 teams ( incl. gate ) in this year's very weak group of PL teams that have horrible o.o.c. records, with Loyola having the most wins, with 3.



Although the league is probably not as strong as last year, I wouldn't categorize it as "very weak" but rather as "unbalanced".   Sagarin ranks it 26th of the 33 conferences - but a lot of that is due to the two newcomers, Loyola and Boston U.   Loyola is weak and Boston U is worse than dreadful.   If you look just at the traditional eight teams, the PL would rank 20th.   It had a higher ranking than the men last year.

FWIW the current rankings of the ten PL teams (Sagarin) are as follows, out of 349 teams:

55 Army
134 Lehigh
152 Bucknell
199 Navy
229 Holy Cross
244 American
281 Colgate
295 Lafayette
301 Loyola
340 Boston U

Army obviously is very good.   Lehigh and Bucknell both appear to be good, although Bucknell unfortunately has lost three rotation players due to injury.  Navy is very young and HC has been riddled by injury - but both could contend, especially if HC has better injury luck in league play.   AU is also respectable.     I think it will be a real challenge for Colgate to finish ahead of any of those six.   I think they realistically could finish 7th however.
Steve

WBB win 72-59 over Laf

I hope this shows Nicci will have a good year. She makes sense of the PL season as well in yesterday's postgame article at gocolgateraiders.com.

Go 'gate!
go'gate

We stand at 4-18 with a .182 win %.  My heart bleeds for this team and these coaches.  Stockill gets 29pts in her latest effort and the team itself only scores 55.  Just keep shaking my head wondering what the solution could possibly be.  We have a motivated, experienced coach, but after 4 years (I think), success has not followed.

'05-'06 9-20 .310
'06-'07 6-25 .194
'07-'08 1-29 .033
'08-'09 5-25 .167
'09-'10 10-19 .345
'10-'11 7-22 .241
'11-'12 8-22 .267
'12-'13 10-21 .323
'13-'14 8-22 .267
'14-'15 9-22 .290
'15-'16 4-18 .182

Only 2/11 seasons when we reached 10 wins.  Not sure how much $ is poured into the program, but perhaps Colgate is willing to leave the coach and the sport out to dry.  There are 3 Asst. Coaches listed and even they don't seem to last very long?

All that being said, it is easy to like her, which I do...a lot.  She is a terrific advocate for Colgate and deserves better.  I hope she can get there soon.  I thought the Pam Bass era was behind us!
Raider Archivist

If WBB ends the season at 5-22, tied for the PL basement with Boston, what kind of grade does the program and Nicci deserve after 5 seasons ?

There may be benefits that the program has bestowed on the Colgate community and the s-a's that aren't reflected in the w-l record ?

And Nicci certainly has won a lot of support because of her outward enthusiasm for selling gate.

Nicki was one of 5 new coaches who started 3 to 5 seasons ago ( Fargo, Langell, Murphy, Finley ). Comparatively speaking, she seems to have under-delivered in recruiting success. I've followed this team for 5 years so I'm curious if anyone else out there has any observations to share ?
Gate'83

Got a note from the Booster Club that Nicci resigned as of this afternoon.  I'm personally very sorry to see her go, as she was a friend.  Not surprised though, team hasn't improved in her tenure and as a young coach she can either move on or become Cathy Foto.  Good luck to coach in all her future endeavors!
Raider Archivist

http://gocolgateraiders.com/news/...ns-as-head-coach.aspx?path=wbball

Very likeable....yes. Up to the challenge.....hmmmm ?

The only thing surprising here is the question of what kind of winning expectations ( over 5 years ? 10 years ? ) new coach hires are given and how the Colgate Athletic Administration evaluates progress in reaching its goals for the Program?  This program really hasn't looked like it's going anyplace.

Nicci's accomplishent was in not penetrating the lows established by her predecessor, Pam Bass. A stabilization ? Perhaps. And a great PR job ! But, it took an extraordinary effort in the Colgate community, several complete staff turnovers and a strong recruiting effort with little to show for it and not much to expect from the girls remaining and coming in next year..

Nicci and her husband's sacrifices, after they both left DePaul for Nicci's Gate job. include not living together regularly. Her husband took Development jobs in NY state colleges that are hours away.

New hires at American and Bucknell, hired after Nicci, have had extraordinary success in a shorter time. Colgate is a tough assignment. But, like Nicci, others willing to take the Gate WBB H.C. challenge may not be equipped to be successful as a Head Coach at Gate or anywhere else in DI, for that matter.
60salum

Very sorry to hear this news. Nicci is an upstanding person and coach. Things didn't work out for her at 'Gate, but I wish her all the success in the world going forward. Hope she is able to catch on to a good coaching position and be successful in any path she takes.
CR(colorlessraider)

Mic I added much to the Colgate community with her upbeat personality.  It is too bad that didn't translate into good basketball.  All the best to her down the road.
Raider Archivist

For all of her redeeming qualities, I was beginning to feel that Nicci really was over her head. There are some very good coaches in PL WBB, and they're getting better ones with each replacement. The wording of Vickie's announcement sounds more like Nicci was let go, and/or that they had been discussing for some time that a fork in the road was coming?

Vickie:
"We would like to thank Nicci for her five years of service as head coach," said Colgate Vice President and Director of Athletics Victoria M. Chun '91 MA'94. "We wish her well and thank her for all she has contributed to the women's basketball program, to the university, and to the community."
go'gate

Very disappointed, for many reasons.  She looked, sounded, and acted like a quality coach from Day One.  She loved Colgate.  She was young and motivated.  She had a good resume.  What more could you ask for?  Unfortunately, Colgate hires the new and (relatively) untested; a stepping stone at times.

I am guessing her contract was up.  There is much reading between the lines to be done.  This could have been more of an administrative decision.  Nicci was also becoming damaged goods.  With her record - and perhaps more of the same for the next several years - her (potential) coaching career at other institutions would be in serious jeopardy.

Decisions are made (respectfully, I presume) behind closed doors, but we are left to speculate.  What I would give to know from Nicci after all is said and done:

What makes Colgate a challenge to succeed?
Why are similar schools more successful?
Is anything lacking in the facilities or administration that have hindered you or the program's success?

I am confident she will land on her feet.  Her husband is at Hartick College in Oneonta; perhaps she can fill a need there.

Dare I say that a male coach could make a difference?
Raider Archivist

go'gate wrote:


I am guessing her contract was up.  There is much reading between the lines to be done.  This could have been more of an administrative decision.

Decisions are made (respectfully, I presume) behind closed doors, but we are left to speculate.  What I would give to know from Nicci after all is said and done:


I'm conjecturing. But, I think this was at least a collaborative
( administration not providing incentives for her to stay ) decision, for all of the reasons 'gogate cited. For all of her dedication, Nicci didn't get the job done with the "w's." Her scheduling didn't accomplish much in recruiting. I've watched this team closely...she's had at least one dud recruit in each class. She got lucky with Josie as a referral and had some bad luck with injuries. But, as I stated elsewhere on this board late last year,, her lack of success was becoming a sore thumb relative to the other six young Gate coaches hired over the past five years. The success of WHOC this year and the new facility next year couldn't be more daunting/intimidating for someone with her track record and trajectory coaching WBB at Gate for the next couple of years. Time to move on! Not much to lose! Makes sense for everybody!
go'gate

In the end, she gets the same fate as Pam Bass.  Nicci deserved better.  Not often you see UCONN come to Hamilton.  Hope she will remember that as a bright spot from her time at Colgate for years to come.  Also hope there are no hard feelings, but we will never know.

Maybe Vicky is tougher than we thought.
bison137

go'gate wrote:
In the end, she gets the same fate as Pam Bass.  Nicci deserved better.  Not often you see UCONN come to Hamilton.  Hope she will remember that as a bright spot from her time at Colgate for years to come.  Also hope there are no hard feelings, but we will never know.

.



She may well deserve better - but she really didn't have anything to do with UConn coming to Hamilton, other than saying yes when Geno asked.  Should have been an easy decision.   You can mostly thank Quentin Hillsman for the game.
go'gate

We all know she had nothing to do with scheduling that game, but not many from the PL can say they've played a team like that - ever - and at home, nonetheless.
Gate'83

Hold on... we were only on Geno's radar because he knew Nicci as Doug Bruno's assistant at Depaul.  Remember that we went to UConn a couple of years back and that had much more to do with the Nicci/Geno relationship than it did with the Herbsts (UConn parents I know say the sister is as bad as the brother, by the way).  Yes we were convenient for Brianna's senior game, but I'd imagine Geno's familiarity with Nicci had something to do with the scheduling, otherwise the Huskies would've been playing LeMoyne.
Gate Raider

Someone tell me why the field hockey coach keeps her job.  That team has to have the worst record of all time for any sport at Colgate.
go'gate

I think we've already beaten this dead horse.

It almost borders on selfishness on Foto's part to stay on and not allow the program to make any sort of progress.  She is obviously determined to end her career here because she wouldn't have one otherwise.

But let's be realistic; if we can't recruit a WBB coach, why would FH (with a lower budget, I assume) be any different?
Steve

I am glad to see on gocolgateraiders.com that Vicky has announced a new WBB coach appointment so quickly. This keeps momentum underway with the program etc. But most importantly is his experience and W/L record.

Join me in welcoming Bill Cleary!

Go 'gate!
go'gate

Let the floodgates open.

I welcome the new coach and have much optimism...like I did with the previous head coach, and it didn't amount to much.

This is clearly a professional upgrade for Cleary, who comes from a D-II institution.  I did suggest once that a male coach could change the dynamic of things.

What I would give to know who else applied and what their credentials were.  I wonder if anyone pulled their hat out of the ring.  Forgive me for saying, but the judgmental side of me says I am a bit disheartened to think this was the best Colgate could do.

Guess we'll see what the next 4-5 years get us.  It's not like he has big shoes to fill.  His prior conference did not look competitive, but good coaches win regardless.
Raider Archivist

To set the record straight...

1. Nicci did a good job of advancing the WBB program in the Colgate community. She was a wonderful cheerleader...a great skill to have in your multi-faceted quiver as a coach.  A really nice community-oriented lady with a lot of passion for Colgate. She worked very hard and seemed to enjoy her job.

2. But, she didn't achieve gains in bringing in talent that was much better than her predecessor. She brought in her fair share of 'duds.'

3. She did a fair ( not good ) job of developing what talent she was able to attract.

4. Her entire staff turned over completely more than 3 times in 5 seasons.Why ?

5. She didn't appear to be a good x's and o's coach or to gain any ingame adjustments or game planning advantages over PL competition, even as new coaches entered the PL. Newer coaches at American and Bucknell ate Colgate for lunch with less inherited talent.

6. Her talents may be suited more for the community building tasks of an assistant coach of a WBB Div. 1 team, rather than the skill/coaching requirements of the Head Coaching job

7. The new guy may be some combination thereof ? The full requirements of this job at Colgate in an increasingly competitive PL ( at the top ) seems like a reach for what Gate is willing to pay and the talent interested in the job.

8. Her W-L record over 5 years is hard to distinguish from her predecessor, even though her likeability, visibility, enthusiasm and work ethic may have far exceeded what came before her.

9. It's not clear whether her "stretch scheduling" scored any gains in recruiting or in pushing the team into better performance in the PL. Although it did gain added visibility for the program and Colgate, in general.



I probably watched more WBB games over the past 5 years and the operation of this program than anyone in the alumni commuinity. I'm an avid college sports and Colgate athletics fan. Those extolling Nicci's prowess, across the board, seem to have a more casual social perspective on her accomplishments within the community. I will be surprised if she ends up with another Div. I Head Coaching job. But, her enthusiasm and hard work bodes well for success in a more suitable position. I wish Nicci well, hope she lands on her feet and can parlay her experience into a more suitable position.
Gate'83

Fair summary, Archivist.  I'd be one of the fans recruited to women's hoops because of Nicci's social/community skills, never followed the program before she started as coach.  Would have loved to see her succeed, but the on-court results never happened.

Good luck to coach Cleary.  I wasn't sure I'd keep following men's hoop after the way Emmett Davis was let go, but to his credit Roach got that replacement right and with success I've stayed with the team.  It's an even higher bar to get over to keep my personal interest up in the women's team.
60salum

Good summary archivist. I'm with Gate 83: Nicci did a lot to bring me over to following the women's BB team the past few years. Ditto the men. The infusion of new coaches at these positions gave us hope; perhaps the results have not come yet, but the changes in leadership show that the administration is serious about making these teams relevant and successful over the long term. Hopefully Langel continues his upward climb with the men, and Cleary can pick up the ball and bring out the talents of some new recruits to complement those who remain with the team.

Oh,..and I liked Nicci. Sorry things didn't work out for her, but hope she lands another job that will use her talents in a positive direction.
CR(colorlessraider)

All very accurate comments on the pluses and minuses of Nicci's tenure.  I wish her all the best in the future.
Raider Archivist

Nicci's Assistant named Head Coach at Colorado College;
The calculus behind Gate's WBB coaching change

https://www.coloradocollege.edu/n...asketball-head-coach#.V0oly7SaBsM

Nice accomplishment for a young 'Gate Assistant Coach. Ironically, the new Colorado College Head Coach Katherine Menendez, like another of Nicci's former Gate assistants ( Melissa D'Amico, Assistant at Yale ) ended up on the Women's Basketball Coaches Association 30 under 30 in 2016: https://wbca.org/about/press-rele...-names-inaugural-thirty-under-30. One wonders whether their coaching skills were effectively deployed while on the Gate WBB coaching staff ? It's not surprising then that underlying this Gate coaching shakeup, there seems to be an emphasis on the basic basketball and staff management skills needed by the Head Coach. This transition also exposes that Vicky's  prioritization of her performance expectations are partially influenced by the amount of Department resources dedicated to a specific program. WBB is just too important to let flounder.

Interestingly, the new Gate WBB coaching roster has been filled out with young inexperienced assistant coaches. The emphasis now is having a Head Coach with documented seasons of winning in that role, albeit in Div II. This is a reversal of the thinking behind Nicci's hiring and a repudiation of the Dave Roach legacy on this original hire. There's no sign yet of Nicci landing as a Head Coach someplace else: http://gocolgateraiders.com/news/...complete-wbb-coaching-staff.aspx. Nevertheless, showing up at the 2016 Commencement to see her 3 original recruits graduate reinforces why people have supported Nicci.

It will take time for the new regime to move the program forward. Among the holes in Nicci's coaaching was inconsistent recruiting, failure to build a stable staff and poor game prep and in-game coaching. So, presumably the new experienced Head Coach will correct these and upgrade coaching overall. On the other hand, Nicci's marketing achievements and the accumulated goodwill shouldn't be squandered in this coaching transition.

An important background assumption is that Gate can have as much success in attracting WBB scholarship student-athletes as it does in other sports. Selective Gate women's scholarship athletic programs are competitive year-in and year-out, attracting high quality recruits from all over the country in soccer, volleyball, lacrosse, and now ice hockey. Vicky's resolve may be as much about her desire to push vigilantly for improvement in another major program as it is a strong conviction about either the old or new Head Coach.

Vicky knows that PL WBB will continue to get better and more competitive every year. This forces Vicky's hand, despite some modest Gate WBB progress, to continue searching for ways to congeal all of the pieces into a quality program. Vicky doesn't seem ready to accept that WBB, a fully-scholarship-funded major sport, is destined to be a perennial PL bottom feeder. That presents a different challenge for her than she has with accepting a dormant field hockey program or other lower performing programs that garner fewer Athletic Department resources.
bison137

Raider Archivist wrote:


An important background assumption is that Gate can have as much success in attracting WBB scholarship student-athletes as it does in other sports. Selective Gate women's scholarship athletic programs are competitive year-in and year-out, attracting high quality recruits from all over the country in soccer, volleyball, lacrosse, and now ice hockey. Vicky's resolve may be as much about her desire to push vigilantly for improvement in another major program as it is a strong conviction about either the old or new Head Coach.




One issue with basketball relative to soccer and lacrosse is that CU over the years has spent FAR more than the other traditional PL schools on those sports - at least twice as much on average for scholarships and other athletic aid.   That gave those sports a big advantage for many years.  On the other hand, all PL schools for many years have spent as much on women's basketball, giving that program a much tougher task.
Steve

Bison137,
Would you please supply a link or some data showing Colgate's spending, hopefully at a detail level, on soccer and lacrosse vs that of Bucknell, Lafayette, Lehigh and Holy Cross over some years?
Thanks, Steve
bison137

Steve wrote:
Bison137,
Would you please supply a link or some data showing Colgate's spending, hopefully at a detail level, on soccer and lacrosse vs that of Bucknell, Lafayette, Lehigh and Holy Cross over some years?
Thanks, Steve




There is not a lot of detail available, but here are total expenses for women's lacrosse and women's soccer for alternating years starting in 2006.


Lacrosse:

2006   Colgate University   543,123
2006   Lehigh University   386,591
2006   Bucknell University   249,527
2006   Lafayette College   242,415
2006   American University   240,462
2006   College of the Holy Cross   235,188
   
   
2008   Colgate University   840,620
2008   Lafayette College   424,703
2008   Lehigh University   416,190
2008   Bucknell University   290,463
2008   American University   281,293
2008   College of the Holy Cross   271,415
   
   
2010   Colgate University   820,346
2010   Lafayette College   561,287
2010   Lehigh University   458,858
2010   College of the Holy Cross   366,748
2010   American University   310,551
2010   Bucknell University   269,862
   
   
2012   Colgate University   828,967
2012   Lehigh University   719,759
2012   Lafayette College   636,851
2012   College of the Holy Cross   487,696
2012   Bucknell University   399,290
2012   American University   284,453
   
   
2014   Colgate University   1,005,550
2014   Lehigh University   876,727
2014   Lafayette College   732,080
2014   Bucknell University   708,084
2014   College of the Holy Cross   471,640
2014   American University   334,095



Soccer:

2006   Colgate University   694,729
2006   Lehigh University   513,667
2006   American University   470,423
2006   Bucknell University   439,113
2006   College of the Holy Cross   427,312
2006   Lafayette College   273,357
   
2008   Colgate University   907,976
2008   Lehigh University   550,834
2008   American University   550,122
2008   Bucknell University   509,785
2008   College of the Holy Cross   481,181
2008   Lafayette College   438,859
   
2010   Colgate University   1,035,324
2010   Lehigh University   675,825
2010   College of the Holy Cross   674,528
2010   American University   592,015
2010   Bucknell University   553,552
2010   Lafayette College   490,076
   
2012   Colgate University   1,081,957
2012   College of the Holy Cross   673,363
2012   American University   634,344
2012   Lehigh University   614,019
2012   Bucknell University   608,679
2012   Lafayette College   461,746
   
2014   Colgate University   1,103,573
2014   Bucknell University   858,556
2014   College of the Holy Cross   811,938
2014   Lafayette College   741,914
2014   Lehigh University   698,441
2014   American University   660,400


I didn't list Boston U and Loyola, since they weren't in the PL during this era and thus didn't affect Colgate's success, but they have both spent at the same level as Colgate or slightly higher - which should make them tough competitors.
Steve

Bison137,

Thanks for the lists. What is the source? I would like to review some additional teams.

Go 'gate!
bison137

Main site:  http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/

Page to begin creating reports:  http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/GetDownloadSelectedData.aspx


Note that there is a glossary of terms in the upper right.


Let me know if you have any problems using it.
60salum

How about spending on Colgate field hockey?
bison137

60salum wrote:
How about spending on Colgate field hockey?



CU's field hockey coach hasn't had the same advantages as soccer and lax, generally ranking in the middle of spending for PL FH teams.


2006   American University   580,725
2006   Bucknell University   567,268
2006   Colgate University   555,386
2006   College of the Holy Cross   523,490
2006   Lafayette College   386,219
2006   Lehigh University   373,158
   
   
2008   American University   706,667
2008   Bucknell University   649,565
2008   Lafayette College   611,949
2008   Colgate University   594,759
2008   College of the Holy Cross   537,678
2008   Lehigh University   492,151
   
   
2010   American University   794,056
2010   Lafayette College   632,848
2010   Colgate University   631,652
2010   College of the Holy Cross   554,718
2010   Bucknell University   418,731
2010   Lehigh University   416,627
   
   
2012   American University   916,880
2012   Lafayette College   722,256
2012   Colgate University   705,566
2012   College of the Holy Cross   642,935
2012   Bucknell University   436,259
2012   Lehigh University   427,125
   
   
2014   American University   997,949
2014   Lafayette College   939,451
2014   Bucknell University   778,700
2014   Lehigh University   658,984
2014   College of the Holy Cross   650,754
2014   Colgate University   635,235
Raider Archivist

Financial Support, Success and Building a Reinforcing Culture and Tradition

It's difficult to deny the long term relationship between greater funding for an athletic program and its success. And clearly reinforcing Bison 137's point, the numbers reflect that Colgate W's soccer and lacrosse had advantages over their peers over many years. Based on his data through 2014, a clustering emerges among 4-5 schools with greater funding than everyone else. However, by mid 2016, when you add full scholarship programs Boston, Navy, Army and Loyola into the lacrosse mix and Army, Navy and Boston into the soccer mix, these two PL woman's sports, along with basketball, are almost fully scholarship-funded sports. Additional W's scholarships balancing football scholarships in 2015-6 reinforce this trend.

Colgate is fortunate in having had a head start within the PL in almost fully-funding lax and soccer for many years before other institutions anted up. It has established a tradition of success. That has enabled coaching stability, winning cultures and a cachet that influences its potential for future success. There's no such luck for WBB at Gate!

Bison 137 also argues that PL WBB, as a premier sport, has had financial parity among its institutions for a long time. True. However, teams that have developed a winning culture/tradition in that environment now have an edge in differentiating their programs via recruiting and alumni-community support,  etc.  Therefore, success in other components ( i.e. good coaching, attracting quality recruits and building a winning culture-tradition ) represent the only ways that Gate WBB can break into respectability among its peers.

The program/coaching/recruiting success and head coaching longevity in Gate W's lax and soccer gives it a fighting chance among its competition in this emerging level playing field in lax and soccer. Money alone is no longer the determining factor. Gate WBB has no such headstart. It has a dismal record and a spotty tradition. The overall story on the recruiting trail is stale. Perhaps Gate's success in other W's sports, though a different story, only helps to keep hope alive ? Perhaps, as Bison 137 suggests, it's not even relevant ? In any event Vicky has to be vigilant in offering a pipe dream that a sustainable winning culture can emerge. Gate WBB has never had that. The initial objective is to at least tread water gracefully, offering hope. Though success in other W's sports may only be an illusion of better things to come in WBB, the surrounding general winning culture of Gate W's sports can't hurt.
Raider Archivist

Nicci Hays Fort lands job as Assistant WBB Coach at Drake Un

Wishing Nicci well in her new position !

This kind of completes the story for one of AD David Roach's hires.
Drake has a HEAD Coach and an ASSOCIATE HEAD Coach, in the pecking order above its newly appointed ASSISTANT Coach Nicci. Nicci was an ASSOCIATE HEAD Coach when she left DePaul for the Colgate Head Coaching position 5 years ago. Unfortunately, she's also now hundreds of miles away from her husband who followed her half way across the country to be near her by taking a job at Hartwick as Head of Advancement, which he continues to hold. We wish them well!




http://godrakebulldogs.com/news/2...s-basketball-assistant-coach.aspx
Oldtimer

Are Greer and Graham injured. Haven't seen them on court for a while and they are missed...We have  lot of players who cannot shoot for the life of them...
CR(colorlessraider)

Men's loss to American.  We have certain players who CANNot make a layup.  Combine that with some very ill advised shots in OT results in a loss. Thank goodness for # 1 and #10.
CR(colorlessraider)

More gloom and doom.  The team set a record for a poor start.  Langel will have grey hair before you know it.
Raider Archivist

New Coach Cleary: expect gradual improvement

Unlike other alums attracted to former Coach Nicci Hays Fort's public persona and dedication to Colgate, I actually watched a lot of Gate WBB from the beginning of Nicco's regime through Bill Cleary's first year. I grew skeptical about two aspects of her program: game preparation/in-game adjusrments and the regular turnover of her staff.

Although it's too early to pass judgment on his staff, Cleary is a vast improvement in the coaching issues identified. Although his wins are ostensibly a modest improvement from last year, his team played with poise, confidence and was rarely "out of it" in their rigorous 30 game schedule. This in itself, was a significant improvement over past seasons. Boding well for  future seasons is the stellar frosih class led by PL All-Rookie Rachel Thompson. ( She's a special multi-skilled guard who is entertaining to watch. The nucleus for future teams, her intensity is contagious.) But injuries kept 3 significant players out of the rotation for almost the entire year. Cleary was very resourceful in getting the most out of his depleted 10 woman roster. Everybody got playing time in almost every game.

Cleary will have to prve himself as a recruiter. He'll need, at a minimum, 2 or 3 quality recruiting classes who successfully assimilate his system before the program will solidify its place in the P.L.. Even with the injuries, Gate finished in 6th place after being picked for 9th at the beginning of the year. There's reason for optimism that Gate WBB can gradually improve over the next several years under Coach Cleary.
CR(colorlessraider)

Coach Clearly has done a terrific job. I too see 2-3 years down the road a major improvement. Next year if they can cut their turnovers in half it will be a big help along with a new recruit class.  Best of luck to him and the players!
Gate'83

Funny you should post this today, Archivist... woke up this AM to a note from Nicci saying it was the 1 year anniversary of her "separation" from Colgate.  Plenty of ups & downs in the last year, but she couldn't be happier with her current situation.  For those who haven't followed, she's an assistant coach for the nationally ranked Drake Bulldogs, the #1 seed in the Missouri Valley and on a 20 game win streak.  Hope they win the MVC tournament & end up upsetting UConn in the NCAA's!

My annual review; I found without the personal connection to the coach I didn't pay nearly the same attention to women's hoop this year.  Didn't watch any of the games on the computer though I still went (3 games) when I was in Hammy & they were home.  From what I saw the ball moved with more of a purpose & coach Cleary's sideline presence was very good.  Wish I had seen a win...

I'd also say that the last game I was at vs. Bucknell the talent disparity was so great that no in-game coaching was going to fix it.  And we all know when he's out recruiting he's still selling a team with zero history in a crappy gym that won 10 games... not easy.  So I'm hoping he's as good a recruiter as he seemed to be a sideline coach, we'll need both elements to become successful!

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