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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:59 pm  Reply with quote
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Call it anything you like.  I would just like to kick their butt every year.  It could develop into a great rivalry.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:38 pm Reply with quote
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I think this game is an inevitability imo...might be a few years.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:07 pm Reply with quote
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PL teams can play as many as 64 games over four years. Ivies can play 40. (Colgate averages 12 games a year between 12 game seasons and playoffs.) If you take away a shot at national championship and make it so the PL only plays one more game a year than the Ivies you take away a huge recruiting advantage for PL teams. With the Ivies already allowed to have twice as many players on scholarship, the PL would be at a distinct disadvantage.

Bowl games are for teams that can't win national championships. No reason to take a shot at the title away from the PL--especially when the league is on an upswing.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:37 pm Reply with quote
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Gate - Harvard every year in a bowl - or whatever - would be ideal.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:41 pm Reply with quote
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Devil's advocate here.  Let's face it.  At least on the east coast, there is little interest in the FCS playoffs except for fans of an individual team that is involved.  Realistically, Colgate averages 12, maybe 13 games a year and the Ivy 10.  Colgate winning games against the likes of N. Dakota, Jacksonville, S. Houston are very unlikely given the somewhat uneven playing field - redshirt, transfers, etc.  That was very clear this year and Dick Biddle said as much after 2003 (yeah, I know that was before scholarships).  My opinion is that interest in a PL/Ivy Bowl game would be far greater than the current FCS playoff system.  Many of the current students at PL schools were also applicants at Ivy schools and vice versa.  It is a natural rivalry and would have a huge following especially in the east.  Play it at a school site and get alum to come back for the game.   It could even increase interest in PL football and help recruiting.  Don't have the facts, but I suspect the Ivy sends more players to the NFL than the PL.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 2:21 pm Reply with quote
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Not sure the takeaway from the playoffs should be that Colgate can't compete. Colgate played three road games and won two of them. The last game was moved up from a night game to a day game at the last minute. That in no way helped Colgate's prep.

If you look at the JMU game, Wingenroth made a huge catch on 4th down. Quazza made an incredible play on a ball for a TD. Greenawalt made a very good catch on TD. Ives made a big catch for a huge gain on third down. Ford broke up a TD to end the game. Melville had 94 of his rushing yards on two carries. Holland made one guy miss and went for 60 plus. JMU fumbled a kickoff and a punt. That's 10 plays from one game. Take away those ten plays and Colgate certainly could have lost by three scores. Colgate had none of those plays against SHSU. You could say SHSU was better than JMU (I think they were) but Colgate had opportunities and simply didn't make plays. They had been on a roll of different guys making big plays week after week so in some ways they were due an off week. Against SHSU, the team looked more tentative than they had since the beginning of the season. At halftime, Hunt talked about them needing to loosen up and have some fun and just play. I thought he was absolutely right. Seems like the respect they had for SHSU's speed almost slowed Colgate down and made them more indecisive than they had been during their run. Maybe SHSU played a great game. They certainly didn't the following week. If you look at just one game, your takeaway from the playoffs could just as easily be that SHSU can't compete at the top level of the FCS (which is obviously not true).

In terms of people in the northeast not caring about the playoffs, the UNH game was played on a construction site in bad weather with the dorms closed to students. It's not in the northeast, but JMU had a great crowd, with a ton of Colgate fans in attendance. (Should JMU be on the list of teams Colgate can't compete with if you look at their facilities and everything else?) And on a side note, I don't know why we think  attendance is the only way to measure interest. Colgate used to have more fans at games 40 years ago but did more people follow the team? How many more Colgate fans are watching games on their computers or on TV than they were 40 years ago? Probably quite a few.

As for Colgate's future at the FCS level, the team made it the final eight with 45 players on scholarship. The team has 20 starters returning next year. This was a young team going a long way. They may not make it as far next year, but a Colgate team that makes 10 big plays a game can win a national championship.

In terms of a PL/Ivy bowl game, it would certainly help the Ivies win more recruiting battles with the PL (the Ivies currently have 11 players in the NFL, the PL has 1 http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/pos...sters-by-conferences-and-colleges). It would also mean one fewer PL team would play in the post season most years. Ending the season with that game wouldn't be the worst thing in the world but I don't think it would make Colgate football better.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:28 pm Reply with quote
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Dont see the upside to a Ivy-PL bowl.
May have been a good idea back at the inception of the PL. Doubt H or Y would allow IL to do it given there utter paranoia anout any games after theirs. PL is striving to be nationally relevant not to return to Ivy Lite status.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:11 pm Reply with quote
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It could be argued that a PL/Ivy bowl game could return the PL, or perhaps more importantly, Colgate to national relevance.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:15 pm Reply with quote
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Look at the comments posted on this and other PL boards.  There is no interest in the FCS playoff unless your team happens to be in it.  I suspect almost no one on this board watched the championship game or even cared about it.  There would be more interest in a PL/Ivy bowl.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:32 am Reply with quote
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Gate Raider wrote:
Look at the comments posted on this and other PL boards.  There is no interest in the FCS playoff unless your team happens to be in it.  I suspect almost no one on this board watched the championship game or even cared about it.  There would be more interest in a PL/Ivy bowl.


Where, exactly, would there be interest, outside a declining subset of the Northeast?  

Part of the natural interest in bowls, if such interest exists anymore, is teams that don't play each other regularly: Notre Dame-Ohio State, Stanford-Iowa, etc. If Colgate is playing an Ivy school it already meets every year or has played 50-odd times, there's not going to be any additional interest. And how many Red Raider fans would travel to Florida to play Cornell or Dartmouth?

Any Ivy game is not being discussed with a PL opponent. The PL (excepting Georgetown) is going in a different direction which will be more closely aligned with CAA schools than Ivies in the future.


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