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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:51 pm  Reply with quote
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We go into every one of these season opening step-up games hoping that Santa Claus really exists. Anyway, my hope, in view of past history, was that we would keep 'Cuse under 40. The D can be complimented on that result. They showed real guts (and a bright light for the rest of the season) in limiting several TD threats to FG's.  I was also hoping for double digits out of the O, but I'm not about to find fault with any aspect of their prep or effort. I know the tools are there as we go forward, and that a  greater mix of options will ultimately be brought to bear. We were physical (but the mantra expressed for more than a decade on this Board by The Last Indian, et al about finishing tackles certainly rings true).  All in all, I think we are exactly where we thought we would be at 10:35 pm on September 2nd (and , hopefully not as wounded as may have been possible, especially in view of the fact that J. Maddaluna was on the field and contributed). Two weeks to go to an essential confrontation in the Yale Bowl. (BTW, my wife's grandfather was the contractor who provided the original wooden seats in the Bowl 100 years ago. Some still exist in place, but I'm pleased to know that the statute of limitations has run on splinter injury claims).
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:26 am Reply with quote
Gate Raider
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Good crowd of 'gate fans at the game.  Defense did a good job.  After scoring first it looked like Colgate would be able to put up more points but things quickly sputtered.  SU just had too much speed in the LB DB corps. Colgate couldn't turn the corner on runs.  Melville didn't have his best day and  receivers couldn't hold on to the ball. which hurt.  SU was able to put pressure on him.  I have heard the coaches say the players love to play these games but they are not fun to watch.  They are pretty much games you know you are going to lose and you face the risk of injury which could change the result of  the rest of the season.  I don't get it .
BTW, the SU dome has to be the worst venue in the country for fans.  You can't understand the announcer and even when the crowd isn't making any noise, the place is so noisy it is annoying.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:26 am Reply with quote
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Pretty much what was expected, I say "enough is enough", it would be fitting to end the series tied. Melville hurt would about end our season, wake up. Colgate does not need the $400,000 or whatever the amount is they receive.
Our defensive secondary was pathetic, just like last year, gave up 454 yards on 34-40 passing.
The defensive line was great, take away the 49 yard touchdown run and SU was held to 68 yards rushing, 117 yards total.
The important thing is I guess no one is too banged up, get ready for Yale and Richmond, the latter made it to the national semi final last year.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:59 am Reply with quote
Howie Starr Club
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Agree with all the commenters on the D playing hard, Cuse being too fast for our O, and especially with Gate Raider on what a lousy venue the Dome is for a game.  Bad lighting, couldn't understand the audio, hot, parking is a pain... I'll take a game at the Kerrdome in the snow over a Dome trip anytime.

Also agree there was a nice Colgate crowd, and quite a few undergrads came out which was great.  And was able to confirm that we will be selling beer at the home football, hockey and basketball games this year, so that's something to definitely look forward to!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:20 am Reply with quote
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Let's be real. The team played well, especially the defense. For all the moaning and hand-wringing, that's actually the fewest points we have given up to Syracuse going back a dozen games since before I was born (and only 1 of those games was marginally closer). Don't think they wouldn't have liked to score a few more in their new coach's debut. And while it may have resulted in some big plays against Colgate, I'm not sure how this up tempo, play every 16 seconds crap is going to fare against Clemson, Florida State, and Notre Dame later this year.

Some dropped passes that could have kept drives going hurt, including one in the red zone. Melville also seemed a bit off-target but was usually under pressure. I left the game feeling optimistic about the team this year. Nobody got hurt. Is Colgate athletics so flush with cash that we can't use 400k? (My Maroon Council contribution had to buy helmets one year!) The Richmond game should be interesting. They are playing Virginia today, a school they play regularly. Other schools they've played multiple games with in the last decade or so include Duke and Vanderbilt, as well as games with Maryland and NC State, and future games with Pitt, Va Tech, and BC. We should be striving to be like their fb program. We can have a game with Syracuse every 6 years for cryin out loud.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:09 am Reply with quote
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I agree with Gate '80.  We are still in transition from a non scholarship program.  Each year the in-coming class is marginally better.  We finally have a president, who is supportive and not trying to undermine the program.
I was impressed with Daramy, who I think we will see more of.  Also Rocket (what a great name for a WR) played well.  Our front 7 defense was terrific, but the secondary has problems against quick receivers.  I think there are QB's at our level that can exploit that weakness.  For the most part the O-line was pretty good.  Clearly, Melville was a bit anxious and off the mark.  I think he let the hype and stage get to him.  He doesn't have the speed to get outside against a defense like we saw last night.
I do like the FBS games.  Yes, those are a challenge.  But we are getting better and the kids love them.  They now know that they have faced their toughest opponent for the year.  The money is not inconsequential, either.  Most of the better FCS teams are also facing off against FBS programs and we should too.
I think that if we were playing last year's Syracuse team the would have been much closer.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:10 pm Reply with quote
The Future
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The best teams in the FCS play FBS teams.
Colgate wants to be one of the best teams in the FCS.
Therefore, Colgate must play FBS teams.
Additionally, recruits want to play games against FBS teams.
Playing against FBS teams helps recruit better players, thus making Colgate a better team.
Adding to the list of why Colgate needs to play FBS teams is that pay a lot of money to play teams like Colgate. How ever many hundreds of thousands of dollars Colgate for to play this game helps Colgate football.

In terms of the game, there were certainly some positives. Syracuse could not run the ball against Colgate. They ran the ball 35 times for 117 yards. That's 3.3 yards per carry. Take out the one 49 yard run (where Colgate missed a tackle) and Syracuse ran the ball 34 times for 68 yards. That's 2 yards a carry.

At what expense is the question. Syracuse was 40-46 passing for 437. Stopping the run is great, but a team completing 40 passes against you is tough to overcome. Colgate's red zone d was great. The last Syracuse TD was a fluke (and a very good play by the Syracuse QB.) Not sure why Colgate doesn't bring the red zone defensive philosophy to the rest of the game. Seems like the Colgate front seven is going to get to the QB if you take away the quick pitch and catch. At this point, I'm not sure why you don't game plan to throw the ball four yards on every play if you are playing Colgate. (Syracuse's reception leader had 14 catches for 87 yards.)

That being said, giving up 33 points (and Syracuse was certainly trying to score at the end when both teams had pulled a lot of starters) is a very good defensive effort against an ACC school--especially considering the speed of the offense Syracuse was running and how quickly Colgate's offense was giving the ball back to them. Not sure if anyone predicted Syracuse scoring fewer than 33 points in this game.

Also, I can't imagine there being a worse match up for Colgate's defense this year than the offense (independent of skill level) that Syracuse was running. Cairnie had a great game. Wisnieski is going to absolutely blow some people up this year and Trent Williams looked great (which might be the most important defensive takeaway from this game).

On offense, Holland had 8 rushes for 40 yards in the first half--that's five yards a carry. No Colgate TB (including Holland) ran the ball in the third quarter. 10 of Colgate's first 11 plays to start the second half were pass plays. The commentators mentioned Holland having a hamstring problem in camp, and I'm not sure if that factored in to what they were running, but it felt like Colgate really got away from its offensive philosophy a bit in the second half.

For all of the great catches the Syracuse guys made, the Colgate receivers would probably like to have some plays back. The back shoulder throw and catch for the TD was just a great, incredibly confident play and Melville seemed to find open guys for the first half. Everything got harder in the second half when Colgate abandoned the run. (Feels strange to type that.)

Really curious to see what Daramy does over the rest of the season (and his career). Kid just looks special. Think he is going to give some teams some real headaches in the return game beginning in a couple of weeks.

Think it was good to get Attwood some snaps. Kid seems to have a very strong arm. Hope he learns how to slide away from a tackler a bit. Jake is so good at not take hits straight on (while still gaining yards) and a Colgate QB really needs to have that skill to survive.  

Very hard to tell how Cerra was punting the ball from the computer. Know he crushed one on the bad snap (he made some very good plays to handle the snaps). Seems like he was intentionally kicking the ball out of bounds--which means he was hitting the ball pretty well if he was able to average 40 yards a punt while limiting returns.  

Overall, great to see them playing in that kind of venue against an ACC team. Yale and then Richmond will be very good tests for these guys. Yale is certainly good at that underneath passing game and crossing routes, etc. Looking forward to seeing 'gate getting one back against the Bulldogs.

Go 'gate!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 2:53 pm Reply with quote
Gate Raider
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Good summary Future, except for the logic in the first part.  A team can be the best FCS team and not play a FBS team.  An FCS team can also play a lower level FBS team and be more competitive with less risk of injury to a key player.  In '03 Colgate played Buffalo and won and went on to play in the national championship game without scholarships.  I'm not sure the wish list of an 18 year old high school recruit should hold much weight.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:13 pm Reply with quote
The Future
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The best teams in the FCS play FBS teams. You may be able to become one of the best teams and not play FBS schools but that is not currently the case (and it hasn't been the case in a while).

The wish list of the 18 year old recruit includes which school he wants to attend. Recruits want to play against FBS schools.

On a side note, Richmond is up 16-7 on Virginia at half (and has missed some scoring opportunities). They had 307 yards in total offense in the first half. Virginia had 116.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:50 pm Reply with quote
Howie Starr Club
Joined: 15 Dec 2015
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Looking back on Week 1, it appears that Fordham got smoked by Navy and apparently lost a large number of all-PL players on the D line. Lehigh shows us nothing in their game vs. Monmouth...what a stinker. Congrats to G'town on their win vs a weak Davidson team that shot itself in the foot several times. The Cross comes away with the huge win and may be the PL Team Of The Week, depending on the outcome of tonight's Bison-Red Foxes game.

Agree with many posts here about the advantage of facing a D-1A team (hate this FKS, FRS, FUT, nomenclature) as an OOC foe early in the season. I only worry that someone will get injured and throw our whole season down the drain. It's always risky, but worth it if everyone stays healthy.

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