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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:01 am  Reply with quote
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Bison137,
Would you please supply a link or some data showing Colgate's spending, hopefully at a detail level, on soccer and lacrosse vs that of Bucknell, Lafayette, Lehigh and Holy Cross over some years?
Thanks, Steve
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:47 pm Reply with quote
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Steve wrote:
Bison137,
Would you please supply a link or some data showing Colgate's spending, hopefully at a detail level, on soccer and lacrosse vs that of Bucknell, Lafayette, Lehigh and Holy Cross over some years?
Thanks, Steve




There is not a lot of detail available, but here are total expenses for women's lacrosse and women's soccer for alternating years starting in 2006.


Lacrosse:

2006   Colgate University   543,123
2006   Lehigh University   386,591
2006   Bucknell University   249,527
2006   Lafayette College   242,415
2006   American University   240,462
2006   College of the Holy Cross   235,188
   
   
2008   Colgate University   840,620
2008   Lafayette College   424,703
2008   Lehigh University   416,190
2008   Bucknell University   290,463
2008   American University   281,293
2008   College of the Holy Cross   271,415
   
   
2010   Colgate University   820,346
2010   Lafayette College   561,287
2010   Lehigh University   458,858
2010   College of the Holy Cross   366,748
2010   American University   310,551
2010   Bucknell University   269,862
   
   
2012   Colgate University   828,967
2012   Lehigh University   719,759
2012   Lafayette College   636,851
2012   College of the Holy Cross   487,696
2012   Bucknell University   399,290
2012   American University   284,453
   
   
2014   Colgate University   1,005,550
2014   Lehigh University   876,727
2014   Lafayette College   732,080
2014   Bucknell University   708,084
2014   College of the Holy Cross   471,640
2014   American University   334,095



Soccer:

2006   Colgate University   694,729
2006   Lehigh University   513,667
2006   American University   470,423
2006   Bucknell University   439,113
2006   College of the Holy Cross   427,312
2006   Lafayette College   273,357
   
2008   Colgate University   907,976
2008   Lehigh University   550,834
2008   American University   550,122
2008   Bucknell University   509,785
2008   College of the Holy Cross   481,181
2008   Lafayette College   438,859
   
2010   Colgate University   1,035,324
2010   Lehigh University   675,825
2010   College of the Holy Cross   674,528
2010   American University   592,015
2010   Bucknell University   553,552
2010   Lafayette College   490,076
   
2012   Colgate University   1,081,957
2012   College of the Holy Cross   673,363
2012   American University   634,344
2012   Lehigh University   614,019
2012   Bucknell University   608,679
2012   Lafayette College   461,746
   
2014   Colgate University   1,103,573
2014   Bucknell University   858,556
2014   College of the Holy Cross   811,938
2014   Lafayette College   741,914
2014   Lehigh University   698,441
2014   American University   660,400


I didn't list Boston U and Loyola, since they weren't in the PL during this era and thus didn't affect Colgate's success, but they have both spent at the same level as Colgate or slightly higher - which should make them tough competitors.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:06 pm Reply with quote
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Bison137,

Thanks for the lists. What is the source? I would like to review some additional teams.

Go 'gate!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:00 am Reply with quote
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Main site:  http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/

Page to begin creating reports:  http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/GetDownloadSelectedData.aspx


Note that there is a glossary of terms in the upper right.


Let me know if you have any problems using it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:04 pm Reply with quote
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How about spending on Colgate field hockey?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:58 pm Reply with quote
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60salum wrote:
How about spending on Colgate field hockey?



CU's field hockey coach hasn't had the same advantages as soccer and lax, generally ranking in the middle of spending for PL FH teams.


2006   American University   580,725
2006   Bucknell University   567,268
2006   Colgate University   555,386
2006   College of the Holy Cross   523,490
2006   Lafayette College   386,219
2006   Lehigh University   373,158
   
   
2008   American University   706,667
2008   Bucknell University   649,565
2008   Lafayette College   611,949
2008   Colgate University   594,759
2008   College of the Holy Cross   537,678
2008   Lehigh University   492,151
   
   
2010   American University   794,056
2010   Lafayette College   632,848
2010   Colgate University   631,652
2010   College of the Holy Cross   554,718
2010   Bucknell University   418,731
2010   Lehigh University   416,627
   
   
2012   American University   916,880
2012   Lafayette College   722,256
2012   Colgate University   705,566
2012   College of the Holy Cross   642,935
2012   Bucknell University   436,259
2012   Lehigh University   427,125
   
   
2014   American University   997,949
2014   Lafayette College   939,451
2014   Bucknell University   778,700
2014   Lehigh University   658,984
2014   College of the Holy Cross   650,754
2014   Colgate University   635,235
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:16 pm Reply with quote
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Financial Support, Success and Building a Reinforcing Culture and Tradition

It's difficult to deny the long term relationship between greater funding for an athletic program and its success. And clearly reinforcing Bison 137's point, the numbers reflect that Colgate W's soccer and lacrosse had advantages over their peers over many years. Based on his data through 2014, a clustering emerges among 4-5 schools with greater funding than everyone else. However, by mid 2016, when you add full scholarship programs Boston, Navy, Army and Loyola into the lacrosse mix and Army, Navy and Boston into the soccer mix, these two PL woman's sports, along with basketball, are almost fully scholarship-funded sports. Additional W's scholarships balancing football scholarships in 2015-6 reinforce this trend.

Colgate is fortunate in having had a head start within the PL in almost fully-funding lax and soccer for many years before other institutions anted up. It has established a tradition of success. That has enabled coaching stability, winning cultures and a cachet that influences its potential for future success. There's no such luck for WBB at Gate!

Bison 137 also argues that PL WBB, as a premier sport, has had financial parity among its institutions for a long time. True. However, teams that have developed a winning culture/tradition in that environment now have an edge in differentiating their programs via recruiting and alumni-community support,  etc.  Therefore, success in other components ( i.e. good coaching, attracting quality recruits and building a winning culture-tradition ) represent the only ways that Gate WBB can break into respectability among its peers.

The program/coaching/recruiting success and head coaching longevity in Gate W's lax and soccer gives it a fighting chance among its competition in this emerging level playing field in lax and soccer. Money alone is no longer the determining factor. Gate WBB has no such headstart. It has a dismal record and a spotty tradition. The overall story on the recruiting trail is stale. Perhaps Gate's success in other W's sports, though a different story, only helps to keep hope alive ? Perhaps, as Bison 137 suggests, it's not even relevant ? In any event Vicky has to be vigilant in offering a pipe dream that a sustainable winning culture can emerge. Gate WBB has never had that. The initial objective is to at least tread water gracefully, offering hope. Though success in other W's sports may only be an illusion of better things to come in WBB, the surrounding general winning culture of Gate W's sports can't hurt.
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Nicci Hays Fort lands job as Assistant WBB Coach at Drake Un
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Wishing Nicci well in her new position !

This kind of completes the story for one of AD David Roach's hires.
Drake has a HEAD Coach and an ASSOCIATE HEAD Coach, in the pecking order above its newly appointed ASSISTANT Coach Nicci. Nicci was an ASSOCIATE HEAD Coach when she left DePaul for the Colgate Head Coaching position 5 years ago. Unfortunately, she's also now hundreds of miles away from her husband who followed her half way across the country to be near her by taking a job at Hartwick as Head of Advancement, which he continues to hold. We wish them well!




http://godrakebulldogs.com/news/2...s-basketball-assistant-coach.aspx
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:53 pm Reply with quote
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Are Greer and Graham injured. Haven't seen them on court for a while and they are missed...We have  lot of players who cannot shoot for the life of them...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:18 pm Reply with quote
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Men's loss to American.  We have certain players who CANNot make a layup.  Combine that with some very ill advised shots in OT results in a loss. Thank goodness for # 1 and #10.

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