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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:44 am  Reply with quote
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Someone tell me why the field hockey coach keeps her job.  That team has to have the worst record of all time for any sport at Colgate.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:28 pm Reply with quote
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I think we've already beaten this dead horse.

It almost borders on selfishness on Foto's part to stay on and not allow the program to make any sort of progress.  She is obviously determined to end her career here because she wouldn't have one otherwise.

But let's be realistic; if we can't recruit a WBB coach, why would FH (with a lower budget, I assume) be any different?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:07 am Reply with quote
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I am glad to see on gocolgateraiders.com that Vicky has announced a new WBB coach appointment so quickly. This keeps momentum underway with the program etc. But most importantly is his experience and W/L record.

Join me in welcoming Bill Cleary!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:08 pm Reply with quote
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Let the floodgates open.

I welcome the new coach and have much optimism...like I did with the previous head coach, and it didn't amount to much.

This is clearly a professional upgrade for Cleary, who comes from a D-II institution.  I did suggest once that a male coach could change the dynamic of things.

What I would give to know who else applied and what their credentials were.  I wonder if anyone pulled their hat out of the ring.  Forgive me for saying, but the judgmental side of me says I am a bit disheartened to think this was the best Colgate could do.

Guess we'll see what the next 4-5 years get us.  It's not like he has big shoes to fill.  His prior conference did not look competitive, but good coaches win regardless.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:39 pm Reply with quote
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To set the record straight...

1. Nicci did a good job of advancing the WBB program in the Colgate community. She was a wonderful cheerleader...a great skill to have in your multi-faceted quiver as a coach.  A really nice community-oriented lady with a lot of passion for Colgate. She worked very hard and seemed to enjoy her job.

2. But, she didn't achieve gains in bringing in talent that was much better than her predecessor. She brought in her fair share of 'duds.'

3. She did a fair ( not good ) job of developing what talent she was able to attract.

4. Her entire staff turned over completely more than 3 times in 5 seasons.Why ?

5. She didn't appear to be a good x's and o's coach or to gain any ingame adjustments or game planning advantages over PL competition, even as new coaches entered the PL. Newer coaches at American and Bucknell ate Colgate for lunch with less inherited talent.

6. Her talents may be suited more for the community building tasks of an assistant coach of a WBB Div. 1 team, rather than the skill/coaching requirements of the Head Coaching job

7. The new guy may be some combination thereof ? The full requirements of this job at Colgate in an increasingly competitive PL ( at the top ) seems like a reach for what Gate is willing to pay and the talent interested in the job.

8. Her W-L record over 5 years is hard to distinguish from her predecessor, even though her likeability, visibility, enthusiasm and work ethic may have far exceeded what came before her.

9. It's not clear whether her "stretch scheduling" scored any gains in recruiting or in pushing the team into better performance in the PL. Although it did gain added visibility for the program and Colgate, in general.



I probably watched more WBB games over the past 5 years and the operation of this program than anyone in the alumni commuinity. I'm an avid college sports and Colgate athletics fan. Those extolling Nicci's prowess, across the board, seem to have a more casual social perspective on her accomplishments within the community. I will be surprised if she ends up with another Div. I Head Coaching job. But, her enthusiasm and hard work bodes well for success in a more suitable position. I wish Nicci well, hope she lands on her feet and can parlay her experience into a more suitable position.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:05 am Reply with quote
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Fair summary, Archivist.  I'd be one of the fans recruited to women's hoops because of Nicci's social/community skills, never followed the program before she started as coach.  Would have loved to see her succeed, but the on-court results never happened.

Good luck to coach Cleary.  I wasn't sure I'd keep following men's hoop after the way Emmett Davis was let go, but to his credit Roach got that replacement right and with success I've stayed with the team.  It's an even higher bar to get over to keep my personal interest up in the women's team.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:39 am Reply with quote
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Good summary archivist. I'm with Gate 83: Nicci did a lot to bring me over to following the women's BB team the past few years. Ditto the men. The infusion of new coaches at these positions gave us hope; perhaps the results have not come yet, but the changes in leadership show that the administration is serious about making these teams relevant and successful over the long term. Hopefully Langel continues his upward climb with the men, and Cleary can pick up the ball and bring out the talents of some new recruits to complement those who remain with the team.

Oh,..and I liked Nicci. Sorry things didn't work out for her, but hope she lands another job that will use her talents in a positive direction.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:14 pm Reply with quote
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All very accurate comments on the pluses and minuses of Nicci's tenure.  I wish her all the best in the future.
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2016 6:25 pm Reply with quote
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Nicci's Assistant named Head Coach at Colorado College;
The calculus behind Gate's WBB coaching change

https://www.coloradocollege.edu/n...asketball-head-coach#.V0oly7SaBsM

Nice accomplishment for a young 'Gate Assistant Coach. Ironically, the new Colorado College Head Coach Katherine Menendez, like another of Nicci's former Gate assistants ( Melissa D'Amico, Assistant at Yale ) ended up on the Women's Basketball Coaches Association 30 under 30 in 2016: https://wbca.org/about/press-rele...-names-inaugural-thirty-under-30. One wonders whether their coaching skills were effectively deployed while on the Gate WBB coaching staff ? It's not surprising then that underlying this Gate coaching shakeup, there seems to be an emphasis on the basic basketball and staff management skills needed by the Head Coach. This transition also exposes that Vicky's  prioritization of her performance expectations are partially influenced by the amount of Department resources dedicated to a specific program. WBB is just too important to let flounder.

Interestingly, the new Gate WBB coaching roster has been filled out with young inexperienced assistant coaches. The emphasis now is having a Head Coach with documented seasons of winning in that role, albeit in Div II. This is a reversal of the thinking behind Nicci's hiring and a repudiation of the Dave Roach legacy on this original hire. There's no sign yet of Nicci landing as a Head Coach someplace else: http://gocolgateraiders.com/news/...complete-wbb-coaching-staff.aspx. Nevertheless, showing up at the 2016 Commencement to see her 3 original recruits graduate reinforces why people have supported Nicci.

It will take time for the new regime to move the program forward. Among the holes in Nicci's coaaching was inconsistent recruiting, failure to build a stable staff and poor game prep and in-game coaching. So, presumably the new experienced Head Coach will correct these and upgrade coaching overall. On the other hand, Nicci's marketing achievements and the accumulated goodwill shouldn't be squandered in this coaching transition.

An important background assumption is that Gate can have as much success in attracting WBB scholarship student-athletes as it does in other sports. Selective Gate women's scholarship athletic programs are competitive year-in and year-out, attracting high quality recruits from all over the country in soccer, volleyball, lacrosse, and now ice hockey. Vicky's resolve may be as much about her desire to push vigilantly for improvement in another major program as it is a strong conviction about either the old or new Head Coach.

Vicky knows that PL WBB will continue to get better and more competitive every year. This forces Vicky's hand, despite some modest Gate WBB progress, to continue searching for ways to congeal all of the pieces into a quality program. Vicky doesn't seem ready to accept that WBB, a fully-scholarship-funded major sport, is destined to be a perennial PL bottom feeder. That presents a different challenge for her than she has with accepting a dormant field hockey program or other lower performing programs that garner fewer Athletic Department resources.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:56 pm Reply with quote
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Raider Archivist wrote:


An important background assumption is that Gate can have as much success in attracting WBB scholarship student-athletes as it does in other sports. Selective Gate women's scholarship athletic programs are competitive year-in and year-out, attracting high quality recruits from all over the country in soccer, volleyball, lacrosse, and now ice hockey. Vicky's resolve may be as much about her desire to push vigilantly for improvement in another major program as it is a strong conviction about either the old or new Head Coach.




One issue with basketball relative to soccer and lacrosse is that CU over the years has spent FAR more than the other traditional PL schools on those sports - at least twice as much on average for scholarships and other athletic aid.   That gave those sports a big advantage for many years.  On the other hand, all PL schools for many years have spent as much on women's basketball, giving that program a much tougher task.

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