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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:10 pm  Reply with quote
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go'gate wrote:
I'd be more concerned if we played a cupcake schedule.  In 2012, Lehigh finished 10-1...and didn't get an at-large bid.  That's what a winning season with a soft schedule will do for you - absolutely nothing.  We need to make the most of these 10 games.


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If you win the league you go to the playoffs.  Simple as that and it doesn't matter who you played OOC. Winning the league, not the OOC schedule, is the important thing.


We know about the autobid.  Lehigh was ranked 5th/8th in the country, finished 10-1, lost the PL autobid (4-1) to Colgate (5-0), and because of its soft OOC schedule, did not get an at-large.  They didn't deserve one, so let that be a lesson to all league members.  A good loss is probably better than a bad win.

As for football/hockey dates, I travel 4 hours and appreciate making a day of both events.  Depending on the weather, and families with kids, it's probably a no-go to attend both so they must choose one or the other.

I don't mind playing at home in November.  By then, our skills are set and our championship fate is on the line.  Win it at home in the cold or snow, that's Colgate grit for you!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:33 pm Reply with quote
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I don't mind playing at home in November.  By then, our skills are set and our championship fate is on the line.  Win it at home in the cold or snow, that's Colgate grit for you![/quote]

There will always be league games at home in Nov.  that's when you play league games and every other year they are home.
it's the lack of any home games early in the season that's at issue.
Bryant is not a cupcake and would be a home game on a nice Sept day in Hamilton as opposed to either no game or another away game.
the schedule is not a very well thought out one (at least it does not reflect one that was thought out) and that is a shame period.  beyond that this conversation rambles on and some want to flex their testosterone.
put the current schedule next to one with 6 home games out of 11 (5 is ok too) with a "Bryant type team" in the mix for a home and home  (and where are the caa teams?)  and ask the players which they prefer.
I'd bet the proverbial farm on the later
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:20 pm Reply with quote
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Colgate's home games averaged 5,600 views on Livestream. The Lehigh game drew a good crowd--just not at The Kerrdome.

Lehigh 8.5k
Yale 5.4k
UNH 4.6k (just 3.6k for the first half)
Bucknell 4k
Fordham 5.7k

Also, Colgate's football signing day got 2,600 views.

http://livestream.com/watch/search?q=colgate%20football
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:07 am Reply with quote
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Interesting, didn't realize that data was available.  Thanks, Future!  UNH game started at 6 so I'd bet the spike in views in the 2nd half corresponds to the end of the dinner hour... we've also got no way of knowing who's watching so the Lehigh # could be inflated by a large number of Engineers.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:50 pm Reply with quote
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I've mentioned this before, in the context of gate's athletic/football niche in  future years.  The future strategy should not be trying to squeeze lemon out of the Hammy area, appeasing a few diehard students/alums willing to attend home games at Kerrdome, as wonderful as that experience is.

Rather leveraging its tough scheduling ( which will be disproportionately skewed to away games ) has the potential to reinforce and build the unique brand of the institution. Bringing attention to the Gate brand via streaming, traditional broadcasting and gaining local coverage for David-Goliath and other interesting match ups is what matters today. ( Any student, alum or anyone new to Gate has learned how to multi-task and access entertainment/sports, etc on any number of devices.)

It's hard to believe that Vickie, the BOT and other smart Gate stakeholders responsible for building the Gate brand aren't aware of how this evens the playing field for Gate and builds the brand.

The numbers from the streaming reveal that there is an audience out there to be captured for the benefit of the student-athletes, the students who care, the vast majority of alums and people waiting to become infatuated with this great brand. But, this audience is not going to be found in the stands of the Kerrdome. It's going to be via people multi-tasking by watching the game-- while working out, making love, eating at a restaurant, while in the bathroom, etc. And this will be not only from the domestic Raider Nation. But, from people everywhere. Filling the seats of Kerrdome beyond the minimal games that make sense is not what the smart money is looking at as an ROI on the 5.5 mill that Gate is dedicating to FCS football in 2016 and beyond.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:28 am Reply with quote
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One home game in the first two months of the season is unacceptable. The hockey schedule is bad enough going two months without a home game, now this ? The two most beautiful months of the year in the Chenango Valley and one home game? Let's play in the dome when it's 80 outside and have freezing snow games with 1500 actual people in the stands in November. That helps our chances for a home playoff game, good Lord!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:18 pm Reply with quote
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Zappa, nails it.  The schedule for Colgate football and hockey for the last few years has been terrible.  Another year or two of this and Colgate football will just be a memory and no one will care and you could kiss it goodbye.  All you old guys should stop living in the past. Colgate is not moving to the FBS.  Home games are critical to keep Colgate football alive.  In another 15 or 20 years when older alum have passed there will be no one supporting the team because they will have hardly seen a game while attending Colgate.  Local fans will easily find other things to occupy their time instead of watching two games in the snow in November.  They will reach the point where they just don't care.  Students don't show up now, faculty members and the admin. hate football.  The only people in the stands will be 20 parents and the call to stop spending millions on football will get loud.  The program will shrink.  And, no matter what you say no player wants to play a home game in front of 100 fans.  There are plenty of other schools players can attend.  Colgate football will become the butt of jokes as it just about is now.  100 fans for the Lehigh game this year.  Colgate would be better off to drop football and concentrate on basketball.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:25 pm Reply with quote
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What are u smoking GR?  You are way off base and don't understand that the PL virtually controls our schedule.  The students are either geeks or watch the game on their IPads. Campus Insiders have changed the whole ball game.
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Many fans, particularly Alum are more likely to watch a game at Fordham, Princeton, Georgetown or Yale than in the valley.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:49 am Reply with quote
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It's very easy to say that no one is coming to home games if you ignore the 7,300 there for Yale and the 7,800 there for Fordham this past season.

I went to Colgate in the '80's and was there for a lot of games that had small crowds--and I don't think we ever played in front of 7,000. Thirty years later, Colgate is still playing in front of small home crowds on a beautiful campus in the middle of nowhere (for all sorts of reasons ignored in earlier posts). The only difference between Colgate football now and Colgate football all of those years ago is that the current program is trending upwards.

As for the Lehigh game, it was a crappy crowd. But I would also imagine more people watched that game live or over the internet than have come to any home game post Erenberg.

The upside for the alarmist posters is that the sky must be falling somewhere. The downside is that it's not in Hamilton, NY. (If you want to be really sad, go to the Colgate website and look at the players showing off their championship rings. If you really want to twist the knife, look at the photos of the seniors showing off their two rings. Tragic.)

This program is doing great and moving in the right direction.  

Go 'gate.

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