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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 8:30 am  Reply with quote
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The official who made the mistake was John Goldsmith. The supervisor of ECAC officials and Goldsmith himself publicly admitted the error:

http://www.si.com/vault/1976/12/13/626258/scorecard

The old Andy Kerr seated 12,500. The hockey grandstands were brought behind the endzones and added 2000-2500. We were squeezed into those seats like sardines (I arrived 2 hours early and could get no closer to midfield than the 30), and there were still many standing in the corners between the bleachers. Estimates of the crowd ranged from 15,000-18,000. Perhaps not as many as 18k but at the very least 16k, IMO. (The "official" attendance was the capacity of Kerr - 12,500.)

We were ranked #20 in the AP Div-1 poll later that season after our 9th straight win.
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 2:43 pm Reply with quote
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1913 win at Yale put us on the map at the time. Yale went undefeated, untied, and unscoredupon in 1909 (10-0) and followed that up with 6-2-2, 7-2-1, and 7-1-1 records in 1910, 1911, and 1912. Started us on a run of 4 solid years under Coach Bankart that culminated in an 8-1 record in 1916. We went 24-5-2 from 1913-1916.

1932 win at Brown was the biggest of the year. Thanksgiving day. Sold out crowd. Last game of the season. Both teams undefeated. It was assumed that the winner would go to the Rose Bowl, but we all know how that turned out.

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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2016 8:45 am Reply with quote
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Today Andy Kerr holds 10,221. There's no way the old bleachers held 12,500. It's larger now by far, might have held about 7500 back then. I was at the game and I'd bet you a cocktail the attendance was just over 10,000 even with the wooden bleachers brought in.
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I will agree with Zappa. Even with the added bleachers beyond the south endzone towards what is now Beyer Small '76 Field there could not have been more than 10,500.

I was there too. What a crowd! A defensive battle par excellence. I remember well before the game started Rutgers coaches walking along the perimeter of the field, maybe having spotted the slight downward pitch on the east side towards the scoreboard endzone. Kinda scoping out their predicament at Andy Kerr. If you remember the 56-2 drubbing of Lafayette a year before you will remember that in hard rains a pond would quickly form there. (And so with the new turf field we have lost the advantage of mud bowl play expertise.)

Anyway, the defeat of Rutgers was terrific as the photo above shows. The smiles, backslapping and flying megaphone tell a great story. A perfect football weather day, too. We did not need any field advantage. We took it to them from start to finish. I would have loved to interview their coaches right afterwards.

Go 'gate!
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2016 6:23 am Reply with quote
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The media guides from the 70s and 80s say the capacity of Andy Kerr was 12,500. Would they exaggerate every year by 5,000? How could it have held more then? Well, the east stands extended to the end of both end zones, like the west stands do. Today they extend to about the 10 yard lines on both ends. Yes the Dunlap stands go higher, but being a crescent only between the 25-30 yard lines I'm guessing. Plus when they changed the west stands (thankfully) to aluminum from those splintery long wooden grandstands capacity was reduced. The added seating was not only the small grandstand that used to be behind the south end zone, but the hockey grandstands which were placed behind both end zones and which extended beyond the width of the football field.

Yes there were precious few times in our history when there were 10,000 spectators at Kerr. Some Ivy games (Cornell and Harvard?) had about 10,000. There were only 2 games where the attendance far exceeded this - the Rutgers game in 1977 and the HC game in 1982 (estimates for the latter game were between 14,000 and 15,000 present, though not being able to get off call I watched that one on TV). I'm not sure why the true attendance is unknown for these games (the official attendance was listed as the capacity of Kerr - 12,500). I think for the Rutgers game they let anyone in at the end who was willing to stand in the corners. Memories of game details fade after 40 years, let alone estimates of attendance. I'm basing the attendance estimates for the Rutgers and HC game on reports of the game I read at the time.
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Colgate became a national power in fb in the years preceding WWI. Their most impressive victory was a 28-0 shutout of Brown to end the 1916 season. Brown began 1916 in Pasadena, playing Washington State in the Rose Bowl. That fall they won their first 8 games leading to the season finale against Colgate, outscoring their opponents 254-9, with 6 shutouts. They became the first team ever to beat national powers Harvard (21-0) and Yale (21-6) in the same year,, handing Yale (8-1) it's only loss. While Brown was the heavy favorite, Colgate was considered a strong opponent, entering the game with a 7-1 record. Earlier in the season Colgate handed Illinois its first loss in 3 years (15-3). The only blemish was 7-3 loss to highly ranked Yale, on a somewhat flukey TD late in the game.

The largest crowd in the first 36 years of Brown football were stunned to see Colgate completely dominate and crush the Bears 28-0. There is a cool panoramic picture of the crowd on a Brown website (http://dl.lib.brown.edu/pollard/atbrown.html) Final polls and historical computer rankings from 1916 I have seen rank Colgate in the top 3 (some #1), undoubtedly in large part because of the results of this game. Amazingly, there is no mention of this game in "A Roar From the Valley".
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The 21-0 win over Brown was more than the biggest win of the year, it was the biggest win in our history. Brown entered the game undefeated, and every team Brown beat that year was undefeated at the time Brown played them, including a Columbia team the week before the Colgate game that would beat Stanford in the Rose Bowl the following year. According to historical computer rankings, we would only beat one team since 1932 that ranked higher than that Brown team (Tulane in 1934).

There was great nationwide interest in this game. NBC broadcast the game coast-to-coast with the premier radio broadcaster of the day - Graham McNamee - calling the play-by-play. The leading sport writers of the time, including Grantland Rice and Damon Runyon, were at the game. The Brown athletics website will tell you that portable grandstands were brought to Brown Stadium to accommodate the overflow crowd, and that a record 33,000 were present, a record that has stood 84 years to this day.

The first half was closely fought, with Colgate ahead 6-0 at halftime. Brown had marched to within the 1-yard line at the end of the half, but a goal line stand by Colgate preserved its unscored-upon season. Colgate dominated in the second half for a 21-0 victory. It was the third time in 16 years that Brown entered its Thanksgiving season finale unbeaten and untied, only to have a perfect season ruined by Colgate.
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Many thanks gate'80 for recapping those great games
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I was at the Rutgers game in Hamilton, not Giant Stadium.  What a thrill!  There were charter buses up from New Jersey but full of Colgate fans!  We celebrated long into the night! Sure glad I was there.

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