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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 11:19 pm  Reply with quote
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'gate80 wrote:
Last Indian is correct. Steve is putting up a straw man when he says that those of us who refuse to whitewash Colgate's anti-fb history are somehow uninterested or unsupportive of the current team. I go to games every year, and support the Maroon Council including the "30 for a million" drive to help the program. I have always been impressed with Hunt (unlike some insiders initially), as well as Vickie, and am cautiously optimistic about our ex-jock new prez. I love our upgraded schedules, and think our victory over James Madison is one of our best in the last several decades (I'm surprised it's not more commented on).

However to discuss the Colgate football program without considering the quarter century effort to destroy our program and fb heritage is akin to discussing modern German history while omitting the years 1933-1945. These efforts were virtually unprecedented, and harmed Colgate in ways that go well beyond athletics. They are hardly "blips", as Raider Archivist opines. The ramifications of those actions echo down to this day, whether it be the letter signed by a quarter (!) of our faculty falsely accusing Vicky and our athletic dept of committing NCAA violations, the self-consciousness if not shame when our teams achieve attention on the playing fields (sending out photos to the press of players taking tests on the road, etc), unwillingness to seriously bid for playoff games, and can even be seen in what Raider Archivist himself posts!

He is proud of the number of players on the honor roll and fb team GPA. So am I! But the fact is that Colgate has had a century old history of strong scholar-athletes. Google Danny Fortmann for crying out loud. Yale had very successful basketball and hockey seasons this year, and I'm sure their players are impressive scholar-athletes. Did they release photos of their hockey or basketball players taking tests during the NCAAs? Or go on about how smart the players are? If so please send me the links. How about Stanford when they walloped Iowa in the Rose Bowl? The difference is these schools are academically secure, and so no need to be defensive about sports success. We should be too, and it insults me that we aren't.

Well said.  Nice to see you back, '80.
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Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.  George Santayana.

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